List: I am not ignoring anything--unlike Brier, I am *also *taking into account Peirce's *explicit *statements in multiple manuscripts *emphatically denying *that God is immanent in the universe. Again, the only conclusion supported by *his own* words is that he was *not *a panentheist.
To his credit, even as quoted below, Shook recognizes that Peirce's "personal views about God resemble traditional theism" ( http://www.pragmatism.org/shook/2011%20Shook%20Peirce's%20pragmatic%20theology%20and%20Stoic%20religious%20ethics.pdf, p. 351). On the other hand, I obviously disagree strongly that "his philosophical system leans more toward panentheism." Frankly, I find it highly implausible that there could be such a pronounced difference between Peirce's personal views and philosophical system. Regards, Jon On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 1:21 PM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: > JAS - you are ignoring that the statement ‘One incomprehensible but > Personal God not immanent in but creating the universe’ is within a > paragraph focused on QUESTIONS not ANSWERS…and you left out the beginning > of this statement - “the question of a future life and especially that of > One Incomprehensible but Personal God..etc’. [2.420-1] > > But this doesn’t reject Brier’s argument that Pierce was a panentheist. > [See also John Shook, in Peirce’s pragmatic Theology and Stoic Religious > Ethics, which also argues for Peirce’s ‘panentheistic God’. [p8/351] “While > his personal views about God resemble traditional theism, his philosophical > system leans more toward panentheism” > And “A Peircean panentheism finds that the growth of nature and God’s > creative in nature are co-responding co-operating and communicating > processes [p352] > > I think that the only conclusion we can make in this discussion [ or is it > now a debate?] - is that the question of Peirce’s views on god and the > universe etc - have been extensively argued over many years and by a number > of scholars- with differing conclusions- and therefore there is no final > answer. > > Edwina > > On Oct 4, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > List: > > I am familiar with that 2008 paper by Brier. It indicates no awareness of > Peirce's explicit definition of the "doctrine of an immanent deity" in *The > Century Dictionary* and his multiple emphatic denials that God is > "immanent in" Nature or the Universes as maintained by both pantheism and > panentheism. Overlooking the instances of the latter in unpublished > manuscripts (R 288, R 843) is perhaps understandable, but his equally > unambiguous reference to "One Incomprehensible but Personal God, not > immanent in but creating the universe" (1907) appears in both CP (5.496) > and EP (2:421). > > There were a few exchanges about this on the List back in 2016, when Brier > himself was still an active participant. In one of them, he admitted, "It > is clear that the concept of god in panentheism is not a personal god" ( > https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2016-10/msg00263.html). Since > panentheism maintains that God is both impersonal and immanent, it is quite > obvious from Peirce's own testimony that he was *not *a panentheist, > which Gary R. has consistently acknowledged. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt> / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 9:23 AM Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is a paper by an established Peircean scholar, Soren Brier, that >> Peirce was a panentheist. >> >> >> https://digitalcommons.ciis.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1181&context=ijts-transpersonalstudies > >
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