Well I am pretty sure that a better understanding of Peirce can and will
lead to raising the standards of public education. It already has in some
aspects of education. Think it would not be hard to make some convincing
discourse about importance of Peirce's discourses for past and current and
future society.
Like I stated in previous mail, even if Bill Gates Foundation is not willing
to help, there will probably be other sources. But, like I said, it would
first be needed in my opinion to at least have real figures about costs for
digitalization. Then some good preparation about what to say and how to say
so (some good rhetoric) to get the money. And this is not about some
arbitrary scholarly endeavors it is about very relevant philosophical
material that will help lots of intellectuals to improve society and also
education.
I myself will also concentrate a lot on getting my PhD finished as soon as
possible. And mention the relevance of CS Peirce's thoughts in it. This does
not appear to be that helpful, but I just guess it will because of the huge
relevance and impact of my findings. But well, we'll see ;-).
Kind regards,
Wilfred
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Van: Steven Ericsson Zenith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 23:36
Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum
Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
My understanding is that this would not be a project within the bounds
of those that interest the Gates Foundation. The focus there is on
raising the standards of public education - not arbitrary scholarly
endeavors.
With respect,
Steven
Joseph Ransdell wrote:
Wilfred says::
"I think we should ask the Bill Gates foundation for this!
And also just mention the importance of this to be done wherever we can.
Regarding the bill gates foundation, maybe he should first know then where
the electronic switch idea originates from. But I guess we could give it a
try, preferably with lots of names and tittles and so on to make things
happen."
That's an idea worth investigating, Wilfred, particularly in view of the
fact that Bill Gates is presently retiring from active control of
Microsoft
and devoting himself exclusively to his and his wife's philanthropical
concerns -- then, too, he was a student at Harvard -- and I will see to it
that it is investigated. Foundations usually have an initial filtering
system that can be checked out for possible entry into an inner sanctum
where you might be permitted to make your case for support. It seems to
be
more the exception than the rule for them to leave it open enough for much
in the way of purely scholarly projects to be capable of slipping through
at
this time, but there are ways of construing the interest which this
particular project might have that might find some possibilities there.
I'll see what I can find out about the prospects and let you know what I
find out soon.
Joe Ransdell
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From: "Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" <peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 2:50 PM
Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
I think we should ask the Bill Gates foundation for this!
And also just mention the importance of this to be done wherever we can.
Regarding the bill gates foundation, maybe he should first know then where
the electronic switch idea originates from. But I guess we could give it a
try, preferably with lots of names and tittles and so on to make things
happen.
Kind regards,
Wilfred
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Van: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 21:33
Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum
Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
Wilfred and the list:
The MS pages reproduced here are from photocopies of photocopies of the
manuscripts which constitute Peirce's Nachlass ("literary remains")
insofar
as Harvard has possession of them. They are located in the Harvard
Library,
not in the Philosophy Department, and there are 80,000 or more pages of
them, still largely unpublished. (There are several tens of thousands of
pages more than that elsewhere, by the say, but the bulk of the
philosophical stuff is largely in the Harvard collections. Since a lot of
the manuscripts have been rotting away for years, the librarians aren't
eager for people to poke around in them and there has to be some special
and
persuasive reason to get permission to do so at this time.
They ought, of course, to be digitized with high res color cameras and
special lighting that minimizes the effects of the scanning on them and
plans are supposedly in the offing to do that -- along with a vast
quantity
of other holdings there in the library which they want to digitize. We
may
all be dead before they get around to it -- unless, of course, some
benevolent patron with a spare million dollars or so does what he or she
ought to be doing with his or her money; but you don't find a whole lot of
them around these days who don't already have other things they want to
support. Know anyone smart enough, wealthy enough, and moral enough to
understand the value of doing this sort of thing for Peirce? If so let me
know and I can assure you it will be done. Ask the U.S. government for
it?
Sorry, but what with the need for the manufacture and development of ever
more fearsome weapons of mass destruction, for the financing of covert
armies, and for the destruction of foreign governments in the interest of
spreading freedom and religious salvation to the grateful survivors,
American taxpayers -- or at least their supposed representatives --
aren't
much inclined to support such frivolous enterprises as this at this time.
But speaking less facetiously, the digitization of the MS material so that
the originals can be retired from use and the digitized material made
generally available is an enormous task, far more difficult than one might
at first suppose. One complication that has to be taken into account
stems
from the fact that the people who were supposed to take good care of his
work after Peirce's death in 1914 -- the people in the philosophy
department
at Harvard -- savaged it dreadfully over the course of the many decades
when
they were its "stewards", leaving it in appalling disorder by the time it
was finally rescued from them several decades after his death.
Consequently, a major part of the problem in making that material
generally
available lies in the fact that it is still badly disordered even now,
after
several more decades of attempts to sort it out with use of the
photocopies.
This is highly labor-intensive intellectual work. There are plans afoot
for
doing all of these and other things as well, but it requires money even
to
get a start on doing all of this.
As I said, let us know if you know where to get it.
Joe Ransdell
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From: "Drs.W.T.M. Berendsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" <peirce-l@lyris.ttu.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:14 PM
Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
Ok..so...are these actual original notes of Peirce to be found at Harvard?
And can they be reviewed by scholars? If so I would be interested to go
there maybe some time and review it. Better to have seen it first hand.
Peirce is getting my attention more and more :-)
Is there actually some good overview of where to find what materials as
original as possible notes and so on from Charles Sander Peirce? And any
money available from institutions for thorough research?
Wilfred
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Van: Benjamin Udell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zaterdag 17 juni 2006 20:02
Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum
Onderwerp: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
Image came through beautifully!
Look carefully at the MS799.2 triangle of boxes and you can that the
numbers
are change from an earlier set of numbers. I originally thought that the
little earlier numeral "8" was an extra numeral "3"
CURRENT:
1 ~ 5 ~ 8 ~ 10
~ 2 ~ 6 ~ 9
~~ 3 ~ 7
~~~ 4
EARLIER:
1 ~ 2 ~ 3 ~ 4
~ 5 ~ 6 ~ 7
~~ 8 ~ 9
~~~ 10
Best, Ben
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