Eric wrote:
>If the hope is that a growing Green Party--and a 5% Nader vote--will help 
>things down the road, just remember what happened to the (at the time) 
>very popular movement started by Ross Perot and the Reform Party. Where 
>does it stand now?

it sure influenced Clinton and Gore, who are now born-again 
balance-the-budget fanatics (along with the misguided orthodoxy in 
macroeconomics).

BTW, we should remember that elections happen every day in Washington DC. 
An election not an every-four-years or every-two-years event (a regular 
plebiscite). It involves the flow of tremendous amounts of dollars to 
influence the politicians at every point. To a small extent in recent 
years, there's been some grass-roots movements counteracting the money game 
(and their phoney-grassroots "astroturf" movements). The hope of the Nader 
movement is that it will strengthen those movements. Nader seems to be 
attracting a lot of grassroots support, especially among those much younger 
than I am. I'm hoping that the veterans of this movement will learn their 
lessons well.

in a different message, Eric writes:
 >... the Reform Party itself has crashed and burned (which was my
 > point). Might not the same fate befall the Green Party?

Of course, but no event is predetermined. Even Gore might come out in favor 
of democracy, instituting real campaign finance reform, appointing people 
who aren't stamped by the "new Democrat" mold (like Lieberman), eschewing 
the corporate domination of politics and the technocratic myth that 
expertise is enough. But that's a total dream, one less likely to be 
realized than the collapse of the Greens.

I wonder if people who were organizing big anti-war [in Vietnam] 
demonstrations, big Civil Rights demos, big movements for the Equal Rights 
Amendment or for the strengthening of abortion rights worried _ahead of 
time_ that their movements would "crash and burn." It can be argued that 
all of those movements actually did crash and burn (to different degrees 
and different ways). Does that mean that no-one should have tried? does 
that mean we should give up, taking no risks?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

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