Mike Zellefrow wrote:
> Hello-
> I'm curious - define "working class". Give me an
> income range.
Class is not a thing but a relation. Income is irrelevant except
when it is a disguised from of participation in surplus value.
> For example, a self-employed carpenter
Petty Producer, whether his/her income is 5k or 200k
>
> runs his own business and grosses 120k a year, is he
> part of the "working class"? What about the computer
> programmer who manages to pull down 90k per annum?
Working Class. Not a very interesting member of the working
class, but still a member of it, insofar as she is constituted by
her relation to capital, which is constituted by its relation to her.
Read Bertell Ollman.
>
> I've often wondered how to define terms such as
> "working class", middle class, upper class,
"Middle" and "Upper" have no relationship to class.
> etc. and
> where the income limits/ranges start for each one.
Class is a process, a complex of relations, not a thing, not
a box into which you toss cubes. Class makes no sense
except as a complex of internal relations of capitalism.
Carrol
>
> cordially,
>
> Mike Z.
> --- Yoshie Furuhashi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Ellen Frank wrote:
> > >
> > >>Personally, I don't see that Clinton's policies
> > contributed to
> > >>economic growth.
> > >
> > >Ok, so what gave us the longest expansion in U.S.
> > history, and a 42%
> > >rise in real GDP?
> > >
> > >Doug
> >
> > Working-class revolts of the 60s & 70s got beat back
> > (both in
> > struggles at the point of production and struggles
> > for more
> > government expenditures on social programs), which
> > restored
> > profitability while keeping inflation low.
> > Meanwhile, more women
> > than ever became incorporated into the labor force,
> > expanding the
> > service sector. Legal & illegal immigrants did the
> > same. The debt
> > crisis in the Third World got "resolved" _as far as
> > the banks in rich
> > nations were concerned_, in that no debt cartel was
> > formed & no
> > collective default took place. The imposition of
> > the SAPs on poor
> > nations scuttled import substitution (= destroyed
> > potential
> > competitors), reducing them to their traditional
> > neo-colonial roles
> > (= dependent suppliers of raw materials) and/or
> > assemblers of
> > foreign-made parts in free trade zones for export.
> > The SAPs cut
> > wages, so they kept down commodity prices, which
> > helped to maintain
> > economic growth without inflation in the USA.
> > Credit must be shared
> > among Clinton, Reagan, & Carter.
> >
> > In Japan & continental Europe, the working class did
> > not get defeated
> > as badly as in the USA (& the UK), which explains
> > the difference
> > between the latter & the former in economic
> > performance.
> >
> > Yoshie
> >
>
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