Hard-headed types? Greg there hundreds, perhaps thousands of groupsicals, with heads that are not only hard, but made of pure wood.
Greg Schofield wrote: > Bill, the problem is partly found in your answer. > > That is you see proletarian socialism as the objective, as an abstraction which must >be sold to the people. It is, by this thinking, already a >sometime-in-the-future-thing. It is the error of these past decades of the movement >that we have reduced ourselves to the role of educators. > > My point is that historically this is not so, that the level of socialisation >already established by the bourgeoisie, effectively means there is no great day when >leading elements of capital must be socialisied, as this is already achieved. > > What is missing is proletarian power, that is something that can be built, built >around struggles to change, in its interest, what works against it. No one needs to >be convinced of this, they don't have to embrace the socialist cause to struggle for >changes that are in their interests - they do not have to be won over. > > What they do need is some hard-headed types take up a bundle of needed changes and >weld them together into a coherent political platform - why mention socialism, surely >that is an educative question and not a meaningful struggle? > > The utopianism which collectively poisons us, is the idea that essentially we are >about winning everybody to the utopian ideal. In struggle there will be plenty who >want to know more and understand the historical forces involved, but for most folks >this is mere garnish in the more material struggle to get things running right. > > In a sense the way you have put the question places the cart before the horse and >then dispares because it will not move. Try it around the other way, in the struggle >for proletarian change, more people will be won over to the notion and magically >without prejudice, their socialism will become the expression of the struggle they >are already engaged in. > > Greg Schofield > Perth Australia >
