>As a result of moral depreciation, the older means of production as 
use values have not changed; nor has the concrete labor embodied 
therein changed. What changes is the the aliquot of homogeneous, 
social, and abstract labor time represented by those means. The key 
here is the duality of labor--Marx's key discovery.

Actually, the abstract labor time hasn't changed either. What's changed are the means 
to realize or represent that time--which is now wasted or sunk. The terms for that 
realization are wages and debt. 
But you can explain this without reference to values, can't you? If you begin with 
money (as below), there's no reason to keep value in the equation, unless you (a) buy 
into Marx's moral taxonomy of credit money ("fictitious capital"--"the mother of all 
insane forms," "a fetish," "money breeding money," etc.) or (b) reserve value as a 
ground for the class-existential analysis of capital's limits. Neither of these seem 
necessary to get at the baleful effects of capital, which seem pretty evident even in 
the enchanted world we live in.

As per the crisis thing: I'm not quite sure I get why Marxists think it's an 
accomplishment to predict repeated crises. Anybody can do that--in fact, most 
leftists--save maybe Doug and Anwar Shaikh--have been predicting recession, 
depression, or financial calamity for the past 5 years. So what? As a defense of a 
theoretical model, this seems pretty weak, since (a) hardly anyone gets the timing of 
the crisis right (ie Brenner, whose (great) work has been pointing to the big one 
since 1997), and (b) in the absence of that what you give is the stern policy advice 
to flush the whole system, cause capital will always produce crises. Again, so what? 
At least in theory, what social dems like Godley and Izuretia have going for them is 
that they think there are ways of mitigating, though not preventing, crises. That 
seems a lot more realistic than imagining that someday we'll live in some complex 
social system that is immune to crisis. 

Christian


>Let me  say as a side note that Marx begins with inputs as neither 
physical goods nor values. He begins with invested money capital, the 
money invested as constant and variable capital, and refers to that 
monetary sum as the cost prices of commodities. Marx's theory is thus 
closer to Keynes' monetary theory of production than it is to 
Sraffa's technical input-output matrix.

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