I used to offer that course. I taught it once to a class of economics students who wanted to be told what to think all the time. So I've been discouraged. BTW, according to Draper, Marx and Engels thought that utopian literature could be an important part of working-class self-education and discussion. They just didn't see it as a good guide to tactics, strategy, abnd history. Jim
-----Original Message----- From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 7/13/2003 3:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] John Nichols on James Weinstein on Oscar Wilde and the Left Of course, saying that you are for socialism conjures up the Cold War vision of the Soviet Union. Maybe, you do not even use the term socialism in opening up a dialogue. Jim Devine seems to offer a course that uses science-fiction to create a vision of a socialist society. On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 06:26:21PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: > > Saying you're "for socialism" in this context sounds more than a a > little like a wish that people should just be nicer to each other. It > has almost no substantive content. And at the risk of alienating the > True Leninists(TM) here, the Soviet model has almost no appeal to a > significant population anywhere aside from Russian pensioners. I sure > don't have the answers, but I do recognize that this is a problem. > > Doug -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]