Well, Christ!, Justin. Many college students still find oral sex
viscerally disgusting...it takes a while. Besides, one thing I can tell
you is that while men may publically gag at the idea of having sex with
another man, when they get older, like say, after 40, they all start to
come clean about a variety of homosexual experiences. It surprised me
too, but I have just been amazed at the number of men who have confessed
something like this to me in the last five years.

So, you know, there's the publicly display attitude...and then there's
what people actually do.

Joanna

andie nachgeborenen wrote:

I didn't say "hardwired and independent of social
conditioning," I said "visceral," meaning, "gut,"; I
wasn't speculating about its cause or origin. I used
to see this when I was teaching. Ohio students found
(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross,
dis-GUST-ing. How would you describe that except as
"visceral"? And their religious beliefs weren't
determinative,a lthough the Godly definitely were more
likely to share this reaction. So I mean, just
independent of religious beliefs. As you knwo, I don't
believe that it is even _coherent_ to talk about any
sort of behaviore independently of social
conditioning. (I'll send you a paper on this that I
can'ts eem to get published . . . )jks

--- joanna bujes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


But therea re lot of people who have a visceral
disgust about sexual behavior different from theirs
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.





"Visceral"? I'm skeptical. Aren't you the one who
argues against the
causative value of "inborn" anything.
Do you mean "visceral disgust" independent of
religious beliefs only? or
also independent of social conditioning?

Joanna




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