Joanna
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Yes, and? Look, I was just saying that I didn't think that the only reason that homosexuslity was a lightning rod was that people thought that God hates fags. I said taht in my experience many peoples eem to find the thought disgusting. I did not offer a theory as to why. I did not say that the hatred was independent of social conditioning, and I didn't say that some people who display socially approved attitudes about male homosexuality don't engage in the behavior. Any other straw men for me explain that I also don't mean?
--- joanna bujes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, Christ!, Justin. Many college students still find oral sex viscerally disgusting...it takes a while. Besides, one thing I can tell you is that while men may publically gag at the idea of having sex with another man, when they get older, like say, after 40, they all start to come clean about a variety of homosexual experiences. It surprised me too, but I have just been amazed at the number of men who have confessed something like this to me in the last five years.
So, you know, there's the publicly display attitude...and then there's what people actually do.
Joanna
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
II didn't say "hardwired and independent of social conditioning," I said "visceral," meaning, "gut,";
wasn't speculating about its cause or origin. Iused
to see this when I was teaching. Ohio studentsfound
more(male) homosexuality to be, eeww, yuck, gross, dis-GUST-ing. How would you describe that except as "visceral"? And their religious beliefs weren't determinative,a lthough the Godly definitely were
don'tlikely to share this reaction. So I mean, just independent of religious beliefs. As you knwo, I
believe that it is even _coherent_ to talk aboutany
theirssort of behaviore independently of social conditioning. (I'll send you a paper on this that I can'ts eem to get published . . . )jks
--- joanna bujes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But therea re lot of people who have a visceral disgust about sexual behavior different from
that is independent of any religiosu beliefs.
"Visceral"? I'm skeptical. Aren't you the one who argues against the causative value of "inborn" anything. Do you mean "visceral disgust" independent of religious beliefs only? or also independent of social conditioning?
Joanna
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