I don't know much about Eastern Europe, but it seems to me that many of the rising 
class of capitalists (and capitalist politicians) there also were "entrepreneurs" in 
the illegal markets. I would guess that in Poland, some of them were corrupt unionists 
from Solidarnosc.
Jim Devine

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        Well, yeah, but I was just trying to say that the only people who had any 
experience with administration in e.g. Poland were former Communists, for obvious 
reasons. People running around publishing samizdat aren't usually experts on city 
planning.
        
        Russia's a big exception to this.
        
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        > of course, back when they ran "communist countries," they tried to make sure 
that no-one else _could_ govern unless they'd already proved their loyalty...
        > Jim D.
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        >       I don't know about the Romanian situation in particular, but one 
reason why former "Communist" leaders are in power thruought EE is that they are the 
only ones with experience in actually running a country.
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        >       > given how bad the Rumanian government was before Ceaucescu was 
overthrown, I find the view presented by NPR poet-commentator to be a bit more 
plausible: the same thugs that ruled before the "revolution" ended up in power 
afterwards (with the notable exception of Ceaucescu and his family).
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