dmschanoes wrote:
>
> 3.Social solutions? How about disbanding the US military, currently the
> consumer of 22% of US petroleum supplies? How about revolution, so we
> don't provide a material incentive for burning rain forests to produce
> pasture? Technological solutions? How about emissions controls? How
> about elimination of biomass as a fuel, and the use of natural gas. How
> about a combination of the emission controls and natural gas (which
> current reserves are at 63 years)? Plus, the revolution. If you are
> skeptical about the feasibility of such solutions, then I'm afraid you
> are going to find yourself, despite your protests, right back in the
> corner of those Malthusian solutions you reject-- i.e. culling the herd,
> and imposing sterilizaton on women, since it's always imposed on women
> by men.
>
> 4. Finally, there is a real problem with what I have referred to as
> short-attention span radicalism, in that it never thinks through the
> consequences of its positions-- so someone can talk about a carrying
> capacity of 2 billion and ignore what that entails for at least 4
> billion others on the planet. So that some might argue for the notion
> of "closing down Phoenix," without explaining what that means, or how
> that would be accomplished. It makes little sense to argue for a humane
> sharing society when the program includes closing down a city of several
> hundred thousand and doing exactly what with the population? Forcibly
> dispersing them to....where? Retirement villages of the damned? Are we
> going to ship them, lox, stocks, and cracker barrels to other cities
> which we think are more sustainable? Sounds a little bit too much to me
> like strategic hamlets, or pseudo Stalinist organized deportation based
> on orders of a central committee. And when those gray panthers of
> Phoenix, and some indigenous peoples say to the central committee, we
> like it here...it's warm and dry... what will the central committee
> say-- "Up Against the Green Wall, motherfucker. This is the ecology
> police."?
>
so, any attempt to control population growth is portrayed as a sort of
police state. how exactly is the alternative (of this so-called
revolution that reduces this and disbands that) imposed on the people?
the last section of #3 is an attempt at demonizing the position you
disagree with.
--ravi
