Cynical jaded New Yorker wants to know:  When you lend someone counterfeit money, are you still doing that person a good turn?  Should expect repayment, with interest?  In real or counterfeit money?
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Michael was just asking how the Russian oligarchs would go about making use of Chechen freedom fighters; my point was only that, in general, there is a surprisingly efficient global community of violent men and no particular instance of thugs of two kinds working together ought to necessarily be regarded as surprising.  The Korea-Birmingham(UK) connection was the subject of an episode of Panorama a couple of weeks ago, which is why it stuck in my mind.  NB that the "Official" IRA is not the same thing as the "Provisional" IRA which put the bombs in pubs (and neither is the same as the "Real IRA" which is the only currently active nationalist terrorist group), and that the Officials have been basically dormant since the 1980s.
 
dd
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In a message dated 7/11/2004 1:20:45 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's a useful corollorary (?) of social network theory that almost all bad
lads are joined up together, via a smallish number of "connected node"
individuals.  The North Korean government's forged $100 bills ended up financing the ecstasy trade in Birmingham, via the Libyans, the mafiya and the Official (Maoist) IRA.

dd
 
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Explain the context of "bad" and why one would link the government of North Korea with the Mafia . . . although I have no moral gripe with counterfeit money. It is my understanding the biggest counterfeiter of currency is the world today is the US government. Is not fiat money counterfeit by definition?
 
Why is this important or rather what is the meaning?
 
I have no principle opposition to counterfeiting . . . only bourgeois property. Do you mean Birmingham in Alabama or England? Just curious. Does it follow that without the North Korea government there would be no ecstasy trade in Birmingham? If not . . . what is the point of this?
 
Dope as consumption always drives private accumulation of capital . . . going back to the evolution of spices and sugar as items of trade. Molasses . . . liquor and opium came later . . . but its all dope . . . converted into a "need" diving private accumulation.
 
Is this a moral position on how the IRA raises money? Is it better to rob banks . . . cheat the tax man . . . or put a few products in ones purse while shopping?
 
I am all ears.
 
 
Melvin P.
 
 
 

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