JK Galbraith referred to it as "the bezzle" -- the increment to national wealth during that period when the conman knows he has got the mark's money, but the mark is as yet not aware that he has been dispossessed of it ...
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In a message dated 7/11/2004 3:13:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cynical jaded New Yorker wants to know:  When you lend someone counterfeit money, are you still doing that person a good turn?  Should expect repayment, with interest?  In real or counterfeit money?
 
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Actually a friend of mine . . . a comrade . . . did a 5 to 10 year bit in Mississippi for counterfit 20s in the late mid 1980s. JHe got caught up in the "New African thing" and the "Black Liberation Army" and literally named his first born male SinQ.
 
I was like . . .  "damn brother  . . . don't you think you carrying this thing a little to far?"
 
Counterfeit was never my thing as such and I figured if I could not win at the poker table . . . or . . . 7 days 12 hours was enough for me. Then the first wife worked at the old Cadillac plant on Michigan . . . not the Fisher plant on Fort Street. :-)
 
Counterfeit and its exchange rates depends on what is being exchanged. And yes you can get interest on it in all the secondary markets. Counterfeit money is no different from when a section of Soviet society - the secondary economy, was using Marlboros as a medium of exchange. The only objection to counterfeit in the world exchange markets is the governments and banks that prevents its conversion. You can circulate counterfeit within a certain market framework forever and it develops its own logic.
 
Is not the real question the counterfeit nature of fiat money versus species money?
 
I read some book twenty years ago . . . that I honestly forget . . . that placed quarters as the most counterfeit money.
 
The only problem anyone in society has with counterfeit money is the point at which its conversion is blocked.
 
No one really cares.
 
Ok  . . . I stop by your house and we go get some beers and watch the Yankees on the big screen. I set the bar up a couple of times and lose the bet and set the bar up again paying with good counterfeit . . . that cannot be detected with a brown colored pen. (I did work in a Casino and they have tough procedures. Only governments detect good counterfeit produced by other governments with similar technology).
 
The barkeep cannot detect the counterfeit and it completes a transaction. This counterfiet is passed - unknowing to the barkeep, as change for his customers. Really we talking about the value relationship.
 
I cannot think of the book I read years ago but it had a story about a guy in the late 1890 who literally painted 50 dollar bills. When he got busted . . . the judge let him off over a dispute about who could issue legal tender.
 
I hate it when I forget what I remember.
 
Melvin P.

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