Kenneth Campbell writes:

>> >[...] "safety" is not an absolute value that takes
>> >precedence overy everything else.  That is evidenced
>> >by how people actually live their lives, and that
>> >fact must be taken into consideration when determining
>> >appropriate rules.
>>
>> This is the heart of it.
>>
>> To use your own words: "how people actually live their lives."
>>
>> The reason most of the people are on this list is that most of the
>> people (who are not on this list) do not have control of the way they
>> "actually live their lives." Their lives are determined by economic
>> forces that are really more akin to weather. (Not controllable by
>> themselves. "I can only buy a Pinto, not a Lexus." You call that "free
>> will" I call it economic coercion.)

I was thinking more along the lines of rich people who buy sports cars rather than 
Volvos, or who love riding motorcycles.  I was thinking about the following thought 
experiment.  Assume that taking a car from point A to point B would take 30 minutes, 
and the chance of dying during the ride was 1 in one million.  Assume that taking 
public transportation from point A to point B would take 60 minutes, and the chance of 
dying was 1 in ten million.  I am willing to bet quite a significant percentage of the 
population would take the car, and I just don't think you can blame that on bourgeois 
property relations.

Even taking your example into consideration, let's imagine a lack of "economic 
coercion."  Actually, I can't imagine it.  In any event, let's assume that the law 
requires every car have the safety of a Lexus and everybody can afford a Lexus.  Fine. 
 But then a new car comes on the market that is safer than a Lexus, but costs a lot 
more.  Conceptually, you are right back where you are today, where the poor can buy a 
used Pinto.

David Shemano

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