Jim Devine writes:

>> (Is it time for the Palestinians to simply surrender to Israel (giving
>> up the idea of a separate state and the two-state "solution") and then
>> struggle to win civil rights within the Israeli political system, as
>> with the South African struggle against apartheid?)

Since it is we are allowed to talk about Israel day . . . 

Is there any evidence that there are a meaningful number of Jews and Arabs that 
have any desire to live as equal citizens in a democratic secular state in 
which neither Jews nor Arabs have a power majority?  Where is the historical 
evidence that such a state in the region could be successful?  The closest 
analogy would be Lebanon, and we can see how that turned out.  The fundamental 
problem is that the Jews want to be ruled by Jews, and the Arabs want to be 
ruled by Arabs, and any suggestion by outsiders that the solution is that Jews 
shouldn't care if they are ruled by Arabs and Arabs shouldn't care if they are 
ruled by Jews, or they should stop thinking of themselves as Jews/Arabs and 
instead simply as uni-Palestinians, is pure ethnocentric fantasy.  Inviting the 
Turks back to rule has a better chance of winning acceptance and achieving 
success.

David Shemano


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