On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 9:24 AM, raghu <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:46 AM, Gar Lipow <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The hardcore zealots love Ryan.
>
>
> Do they?
>
> There are two types of Tea partiers that we should be careful not to mix
> up.
>
> First there are the Ayn Rand worshiping hedge-fund types. These types
> really do love Ryan.
>
> Second and far more numerous are the old, white, Fox-news watching,
> birther Southerners who want "the government's hands off my Medicare"
> and think "your mortgage is not my problem" and gets their news from
> Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
>
>
Do these second, electorally far more important species of Tea
> Partiers really like Ryan? I suspect not.
>
>
Yeah they do. Ryan is an anti-abortion, global warming denying , "voter
fraud" vote suppressing in love with the confederate flag guy who just puts
this stuff forward in a mild manner. He is right on the issues of "guns and
gays" and "rights come from God not from Government"  He has long term
history of blowing every dog whistle that tells Beck and Limbaugh
worshippers he is one of them.  His actual policy on medicare won't bother
most of the zealots because he gets all the signals right. Because they
will assume he means to take Medicare away from "those people" who don't
deserve it and not from deserving white folks. The role of racism in
blinding Tea Baggers to certain aspects of what they are supporting for
can't be over-estimated. And again, remember that Ryan appeals to the
activists. The  mass of right wing voters will never hear about what he
stands for except from Beck and Limbaugh and their local church and Fox
News.

And while all this is going on, the villagers like Brooks will assure
everyone he is a moderate, because his style sends them a signal of
"moderation". Which shows how meaningless the idea of moderation is.

You know, maybe this conversation is productive after all, Because it does
seem that not everyone understands just how far right our electoral system
and environment leans - something we can thank the Democratic Party for at
least as much as we can thank the Republicans.

> -raghu.
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