We do not all have the time to write lengthy postings, and the medium of mailining lists produces postings that are typically orders of magnitude lower than any maximum limit imposed by the software. The goverment in the Ukraine is the first one in Europe since the war to have open National Socialist parties participating in it. There appears in the last 24 hours to be the start of a power struggle there with the extrajudicial execution of a leading Fascist paramilitary by part of the police force. But at the same time new state repressive forces in the form of the National Guard under fascist control are being set up. It has also been clear that the putsch leaders lack effective control over the military - the forces in Crimea ignored Tenyukh's orders to use firearms and in the main deserted to the Russians. The participation in the callup has been derisory - which may explain their decision to form a national guard recruited from the paramilitaries. Tenyukh has now apparently been fired, but whether it is because he wanted to start a war, or because he failed to do so, or because the armed forces refused to obey him is unclear. But the whole putch regime is so far to the right that it would be off the spectrum in most states, Timoshenko the leader of the 'moderate' Fatherland party had a conversation leaked in which she is saying : " that it was «about time we grab our guns and go kill those damn katsaps» (katsap is a Ukrainian word used to refer to the Russians in a negative tone). The conversation leaves no doubt about the fate of Russians if Timoshenko is elected President. Shufrych told her about his fellow MP asking him, «What should we do now with the 8 million Russians that stayed in Ukraine? They are rogues!» Timoshenko, who is known in the West as a «beacon of democracy» and a «prisoner of conscience», says, «Use nuclear weapons against them»… "
She is a potential presidential candidate. US Republican politicians are pretty far right but it is difficult to imagine a US presidential candidate saying that they should 'nuke all the niggers and wetbacks'. These attitudes by a 'moderate' party leader are frankly genocidal and not something that you would encounter in the US except among the KKK or the Aryan Nations group. ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Louis Proyect [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:10 PM To: Progressive Economics Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Anotol Lieven on the Ukraine | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist On 3/25/14 1:03 PM, William Cockshott wrote: > Does the polish govt have fascist parties with armed paramilitaries in it? You can't have it both ways, Bill. You claim that there is a crackdown on the ultraright but want to shoehorn the evidence into supporting the proposition that this sets the stage for what? A Ukrainian version of the Third Reich? I am afraid you have the same very bad habit as Shane Mage. You don't argue your ideas, you quasi-twitter them. Marxmail has a 35,000 byte limit and PEN-L has none. Despite that you prefer writing 140 character quips that are ultimately paper-thin--and this from an author of some pretty sharp articles and books on economics and computing. I guess that goes with the territory. I concluded nearly 25 years ago when I joined PEN-L that it was primarily for economics professor to indulge in "slumming". Nothing has changed since then. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
