It is not surprising that the leaks are coming from Russia, they have an interest in providing leaks that will embarrass the US and EU in Ukraine. Similar motivations will have been behind their giving sanctuary to Snowden, or the leaked phone call between the EU foreign minister and the Estonian premier about the current govt in Keiv being behind the snipers.
Why does this matter? 1. Because the left should as a matter of course attempt to expose the lies used by our foreign offices in their imperial plans. The opposition on the web can be effective. The new media opposition to the official media line on Syria prevented a repeat of the Libyan colonial adventure last year. 2. Because this particular imperial adventure has the prospect of leading to a catastrophic war. The echoes of 1914 are there. If the case on which such a war would be based is not challenged from the outset the danger is worse. 3. It is a mistake to think that opposition to imperial adventures is just something that only the left is concerned about. Edward Heath the former conservative prime minister opposed both the Gulf and Iraq wars, explicitly denouncing them as imperialist adventures. In the commons last week, the only MP that I heard make the obvious point that the people of Crimea by a clear majority wanted to leave the Ukraine was a conservative. Right up to the last days before Aug 4th 1914 a substantial portion of the Liberal party was opposed to war. Paul Cockshott School of Computer Science University of Glasgow http://glasgow.academia.edu/paulcockshott http://www.gla.ac.uk/schools/computing/staff/williamcockshott/#tabs=0 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marv Gandall Sent: 26 March 2014 02:30 To: Progressive Economics Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Anotol Lieven on the Ukraine | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist On 2014-03-25, at 8:59 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: > On 3/25/14 8:53 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: >> Pretty damning, if true. Can you cite the source? > > > RT.com. Isn't that obvious? Btw, Tymoshenko was in prison for cutting > a crooked deal with Gazprom. And Putin once described her as exactly > the kind of Ukrainian leader he likes to deal with. Putin's already twice indicated that he would prefer to see her win the May election rather than Klitschko or Poroshenko. They've gotten along fine in the past, as you can see: https://www.google.ca/search?q=putin+tymoshenko&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=DS4yU_npLIWcqwHdiIGgBg&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1232&bih=706 Tymoshenko's conceded she made the call, but denied using anti-Russian epithets. You can choose to believe Tymoshenko or the Russian secret service. Some choice. http://news.yahoo.com/controversy-over-ukraines-tymoshenko-wipe-russians-leak-164225091.html What a rat's nest of entangled kleptocrats and politicians on both sides of the border, and across it. How anyone can get so worked up about this conflict between capitalist Russia and the capitalist alliance of Ukraine/EU/US is beyond me. Whatever the outcome, you can be certain it won't improve the living standards or personal freedoms of working class Ukrainians and Russians. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
