Whatever that may mean. Gar's interpretation of the author's intention has nothing whatsoever to do with my views on the subject. I was offering another interpretation, not indicating agreement.
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Perelman, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Tom I will be 75 in a week. Although I rarely get medical care, I > might have some need in the future. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Gar Lipow > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:36 PM > *To:* Progressive Economics > *Subject:* Re: [Pen-l] ice floe bioethics - no health care after 75 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> > wrote: > > To be fair, the author says, "I am not advocating 75 as the official > statistic of a complete, good life in order to save resources, ration > health care, or address public-policy issues arising from the increases in > life expectancy." As long as he's only talking about his own healthcare > choices and not advocating a policy, I don't see the problem. > > > > The two policy implications he does outline also seem rather benign -- not > basing evaluation of health care quality on longevity and focusing > biomedical research spending on quality of life rather than radical > interventions for prolongation of life. Given the choice of living 10 more > years without Alzheimer's or living 15 with Alzheimers, I know which one I > would chose. > > > > > > > > He is not just saying it is something he is personally choosing. He is > saying others who don't make the same choice are making a bad decision for > themelves and for society. He doesn't need to draw malignant policy > conclusion. Once the premises are established, he can leave other other to > advocate the obvious. This is not a slippery slope. It is a goddamn ice > cliff. > > > BTW he is overlooking some important medical studies. For example one > study showed that healthy people dies faster than the unhealthy. Not > sooner. But they go from pretty good to dead in a shorter interval, wearing > out more like the wonderful one horse shay, and less like a car getting > less and less reliable. That is a huge argument against his points on > antibiotic use and preventative care. This is not a "slippery slope". This > is a goddamn ice cliff. > > > > And yeah there are circumstances when I would not want radical > intervention myself. But he is framing it as a duty to self and society, > with a nice simple age cuttoff. > > > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Gar Lipow <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This proposal to cut off all but palliative healthcare for people over 75 > may be trial balloon, rather than just journalistic trolling. David Roberts > said in his facebook page that he agrees with every word. Ezra Klein > tweeted the link without comment. With Social Security cuts off the table, > at least until 2015, instead of forcing old people to live on cat food, I > guess the "Church of the Savvy" now wants to see if it can turn old people > into cat food instead. > > > > My mom is 92, and she recently managed to lacerate her shin. The > laceration became infected and is now being treated with antibiiotics. One > of the things this article advocates is no antibiotics for people over 75. > > > > Ice floe bioethics. We are better off dead after 75, so denying us > medical care from then is for our own good. The fact that it would fatten > the profits of the masters of the universe is merely a happy co-benefit > that it would be in very bad taste to discuss. > > > > > http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/09/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/ > > -- > Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow > Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com > Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ > Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > > Tom Walker (Sandwichman) > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > > > > -- > Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow > Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com > Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ > Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Cheers, Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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