Even then! Congrats! Anthony
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Anthony P. D'Costa, EWC Honolulu Chair & Professor of Contemporary Indian Studies Australia India Institute and School of Social & Political Sciences University of Melbourne 147-149 Barry Street, Carlton VIC 3053, AUSTRALIA Ph: +61 3 9035 6161 Visit the Australia India Institute Website http://www.aii.unimelb.edu.au/ Recent Conference (The Land Question) http://idsk.edu.in/program.php New Book Series (Dynamics of Asian Development) http://www.springer.com/series/13342 Recent books: http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780198082286.do#.UI5Wzmc2dI0 http://www.oup.com/localecatalogue/cls_academic/?i=9780199646210 http://www.anthempress.com/pdf/9780857285041.pdf http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?pid=295354 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from my iPad > On Sep 24, 2014, at 17:09, Perelman, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not till the first. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eugene Coyle > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:55 PM > To: Pen-l Pen-L > Subject: Re: [Pen-l] ice floe bioethics - no health care after 75 > > Happy birthday Michael! > > Gene > >> On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:28 PM, Perelman, Michael <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Tom I will be 75 in a week. Although I rarely get medical care, I >> might have some need in the future. >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gar Lipow >> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:36 PM >> To: Progressive Economics >> Subject: Re: [Pen-l] ice floe bioethics - no health care after 75 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Tom Walker <[email protected]> wrote: >> To be fair, the author says, "I am not advocating 75 as the official >> statistic of a complete, good life in order to save resources, ration health >> care, or address public-policy issues arising from the increases in life >> expectancy." As long as he's only talking about his own healthcare choices >> and not advocating a policy, I don't see the problem. >> >> The two policy implications he does outline also seem rather benign -- not >> basing evaluation of health care quality on longevity and focusing >> biomedical research spending on quality of life rather than radical >> interventions for prolongation of life. Given the choice of living 10 more >> years without Alzheimer's or living 15 with Alzheimers, I know which one I >> would chose. >> >> >> >> He is not just saying it is something he is personally choosing. He is >> saying others who don't make the same choice are making a bad decision for >> themelves and for society. He doesn't need to draw malignant policy >> conclusion. Once the premises are established, he can leave other other to >> advocate the obvious. This is not a slippery slope. It is a goddamn ice >> cliff. >> >> BTW he is overlooking some important medical studies. For example one study >> showed that healthy people dies faster than the unhealthy. Not sooner. But >> they go from pretty good to dead in a shorter interval, wearing out more >> like the wonderful one horse shay, and less like a car getting less and less >> reliable. That is a huge argument against his points on antibiotic use and >> preventative care. This is not a "slippery slope". This is a goddamn ice >> cliff. >> >> And yeah there are circumstances when I would not want radical intervention >> myself. But he is framing it as a duty to self and society, with a nice >> simple age cuttoff. >> >> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Gar Lipow <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This proposal to cut off all but palliative healthcare for people over 75 >> may be trial balloon, rather than just journalistic trolling. David Roberts >> said in his facebook page that he agrees with every word. Ezra Klein tweeted >> the link without comment. With Social Security cuts off the table, at least >> until 2015, instead of forcing old people to live on cat food, I guess the >> "Church of the Savvy" now wants to see if it can turn old people into cat >> food instead. >> >> My mom is 92, and she recently managed to lacerate her shin. The laceration >> became infected and is now being treated with antibiiotics. One of the >> things this article advocates is no antibiotics for people over 75. >> >> Ice floe bioethics. We are better off dead after 75, so denying us medical >> care from then is for our own good. The fact that it would fatten the >> profits of the masters of the universe is merely a happy co-benefit that it >> would be in very bad taste to discuss. >> >> http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/09/why-i-hope-to-die- >> at-75/379329/ >> -- >> Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow Solving the Climate Crisis web >> page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com Grist Blog: >> http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ >> Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Tom Walker (Sandwichman) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow Solving the Climate Crisis web >> page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com Grist Blog: >> http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ >> Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
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