--- Leon Kuunders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Jim D.: 'math that we use [is] psychological'.
>
> I probably missed it, but in which realm does this
> math we don't use exist?

Platonists would say that numbers and the relations
between exist independently of us in something like
the way that distant galaxies do, or this one did
before we were here. These are abstract entities, not
physical objects, so it's no use looking for them on
Alpha Centuri. We know them by doing maths. This no
more strange than saying that lots of stuff we can't
observe exists. Subatomic particles, for example. The
unconscious mind.

And while I sympathise with the intuition that says
that there can't be nonphysical entities, I don't
think that's an a priori truth. Btw a lot of physuical
entities and relations are muchs tranger than almost
anything you can find in mathematics. Let me tell you
about Bell's Theorem sometime. jks



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