[gosh... today as I was driving to work, US National Public Radio was
saying over and over again that Generalissimo Francisco Franco is
still dead (oops, I mean Abu Musab al-Zarqawi). Don't they realize
that such a news approach is self-defeating at best? I for one ended
up kept on listening to one song from the Flying Burrito Bros. on CD
and then try to see if the al-Zarqawipalooza was over yet ... By the
time NPR had finally switched over to the also-overworked story of
US/Euro negotiations with Iran about nukes, the FBB had won.]

back to the discussion in progress...

me:
> again, I wonder what use all this [the (un)productive labor concept] is?

On 6/7/06, paul phillips  wrote:
I have found that the distinction between productive and unproductive
labour very useful in understanding/explaining  recent (i.e. post 2nd
WW)  developments within a 'Galbraithian' framework.  That is, once you
go beyond  basic necessities, as Galbraith points out,  capitalists find
it necessary to 'create' demand.  That is, in order to realize surplus
value as profits, they must augment demand through advertising,
marketing, product design, etc. all of which employs unproductive (in a
Marxist sence) labour  that does not produce use value or surplus value
but merely increases market value/price.  But such labour must be paid
out of the surplus value created in production.  Hence, a growing wedge
arises between production productivity and wages of basic producers.
This means, of course, that the rate of exploitation of basic producers
must increase.

this is very similar to Baran & Sweezy's analysis, too. As with
Galbraith's NEW INDUSTRIAL STATE analysis, that analysis was extremely
descriptive of (with lots of good insights about) US capitalism at the
time, but at the time was not a very good guide to the the future
(which we're now living in) or to structural change away from the NEW
INDUSTRIAL STATE structure. I think a more Marxian analysis of capital
accumulation is useful here...

["We are living in the future / I'll tell you how I know / I read it
in the paper / Fifteen years ago / We're all driving rocket ships /
And talking with our minds / And wearing turquoise jewelry / And
standing in soup lines / We are standing in soup lines" -- John
Prine.]

Tom Walker adds.
It occurs to me that just as the worker cannot be reduced to mere
labor power, the political economy cannot be explained entirely in the
workings of the laws [of] accumulation.

Mike Lebowitz's BEYOND CAPITAL (both 1st and 2nd editions) is really
good here. As I summarized his analysis once in a book review in
MONTHLY REVIEW, Marx's CAPITAL is a bit like Hegel's analysis of the
Master/Servant relationship but focuses totally on the Master, i.e.,
Capital, without dealing with the autonomous dynamics of the Servant,
i.e., Labor. So the transition from the 1950s-60s political economy
sketched by Galbraith or Baran & Sweezy requires not only a
capital-accumulation analysis but also an understandng of labor's
side.

There are two overarching
dimensions to the political economy, domination and production. And it
is crucial that production poses a threat to domination. Therefore
waste is essential for preserving domination. It is a euphemism to
call this waste "demand". It's purpose is not to facilitate an
expanded production but to void the subversive potential of excess
production that has  *already* expanded.

in the (un)productive labor literature, there are at least two
differrent visions here. One  (Thomas More, Paul Baran) is that
unproductive labor -- here guard labor needed to preserve domination
-- would not be needed in a rational society. Another (Marx) is that
this unproductive labor represents an overhead cost that's needed to
preserve the system but does not contribute directly to the production
of surplus-value.

There is something Veblen-ish about this perspective and, in fact, the
Veblenian, Stuart Chase wrote a book called "The Tragedy of Waste"
(there should be a sequel, "The Farce of Waste").

didn't Veblen also deal with the unproductive costs of
competition/monopoly, including capitalist-organized sabotage?

To get an idea of
what's happening, you have to set aside the building block view of
capital accounting and consider the value of capital as the discounted
present value of a projected future flow of revenues. The concept of
"goodwill" is useful here. Goodwill is defined by Commons as the
difference between the capitalization based on the present value of
future revenues and the bricks-and-machines value of the "means of
production".

isn't that the usual definition? I'm not an accountant, but isn't
"good will" a residual to explain why the the market price of the
equity (representing present value) does not correspond to the balance
sheet's difference between measureable assets and measureable
liabilities?

The role of unproductive labour from such a perspective
is not to contribute to present production in anyway but to maintain
the goodwill spread between the two kinds of capitalization. As such
"goodwill ambassadors" these unproductive workers don't need to be
employed by the capitalist firm, either directly or indirectly. They
can write editorials for the Wall Street Journal or teach
post-structuralist critical theory.

true.
--
Jim Devine / "The crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil
of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An
exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who
is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his
future career." -- Albert Einstein.

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