--- Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FIT is not about expressing business rules. <snip> > That's it. That's all FIT is.
OK, but this all sidesteps one very important question: has anyone on this list ever *really* used FIT? I'm not talking about toy examples. I'm not talking about "I know a guy who ..." I would love to hear real, live stories about it and what follows is why. Here at the BBC, we have LOTS of programmers and many of them are "test infected". They're so test infected that they've gone out of their way to implement FIT, hire consultants to help them improve their FITness, have software discussion groups on company time to talk about improving their testing, etc. In short, these are serious developers who care about the quality of their software. Those of them who have worked with FIT are also those who object to it the loudest. "Too painful to implement and maintain". "Too difficult to train users." "Too difficult to get users to participate." "Too little bang for the buck compared to other testing methodologies." In other words, it seems that as a general rule, those who support FIT the most seem to be those who haven't used it. I'm just trying to find out if this experience matches the rest of the world. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Perl and CGI - http://users.easystreet.com/ovid/cgi_course/ Personal blog - http://publius-ovidius.livejournal.com/ Tech blog - http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/