Well, I'll just say that wars have been started over lesser things :-)

I guess we should leave it to the people of PDLonia to decide. Or settle it 
with swords. Whatever is easier.

Ben

On 21 Jul 2010, at 12:03, Daniel Carrera wrote:

> Hi Ben,
> 
> I added LuzSans to the page for comparison. What I don't like about it
> is the angle bracket. Mainly that it doesn't line up with the letters.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Benjamin Schuster-Boeckler:
>> Molengo: The rounding of the "p" and "d" characters have different shapes, 
>> disturbing the balance between these two letters.
> 
> They have the exact same shape, rotated 90 degrees. If you take the d
> and rotate it 90 degrees, it is the exact same shape as the p. The
> only difference is that the "stick" on the d is a tiny bit longer,
> which makes sense.
> 
> 
>> Also, the point of Futura and LuzSans were their clean, minimalistic look, 
>> whereas the "l" in Molengo has a curve ending which breaks that style.
> 
> Heh. I actually *liked* that curve. The very small curves in Molengo
> are what I liked about it. I thought it looked interesting without
> being fuzzy or complicated.
> 
>> Also, the vertical lines in the "p" and "d" are too fat and too short at the 
>> same time.
> 
> They are the exact same thickness as LuzSans Book (which is my
> favourite Luz variant). I tested it. LuzSans does have unusually tall
> letters.
> 
>> FreeSans: It's better, but it lacks sophistication. If you compare it with 
>> Futura, you'll see that the cirlces in "p" and "d" are narrower in FreeSans. 
>> Also, the version you showed is too bold, a light face looks much better
> 
> It seems odd to say that Futura is more "sophisticated" because it
> uses simpler shapes (the circles are more circular).
> 
> 
>> Sawasdee: The serif-like angled lines in the "p" and "d" just totally go 
>> against the initial idea of the logo. Also, the ">" is much too fat
> 
> You've mentioned the thickness three times. I think that we just have
> a different taste on how fat we like our letters. I purposely made
> Sawasdee fatter because I like it better that way. Likewise, I like
> LuzSans Book rather than LuzSans Light. I find the stronger contrast
> easier to read (I have poor vision).
> 
> Maybe if I had looked for lighter fonts you might have liked the
> results better. But then, I would have liked them less :-)
> 
> 
>> Now, I guess this discussion is more suited to a Font forum :-) I strongly 
>> believe a logo is a logo, and doesn't need to match any "corporate" font. If 
>> we use Luz or Futura in the logo, and a different font in any printed 
>> material, it's just fine and no cause for concern.
> 
> I think that having the website or printed material match the logo is
> simply "nice to have". But I still think I have reasons to prefer a
> free font:
> 
> 1. At a minimum, I want a font I can download and experiment with. So
> Luz beats Futura for example.
> 
> 2. I am not a lawyer. Unless a lawyer tells me that using a
> proprietary font is not going to be a problem, I would prefer an open
> font.
> 
> -- 
> Intolerant people should be shot.

--
Benjamin Schuster-Böckler
Frundsbergstrasse 23a
82064 Strasslach
Deutschland



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