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From: Fabio D'Alfonso <[email protected]>
To: Clifford Sobchuk <[email protected]>
Cc: chm <[email protected]>; Dmitry Karasik <[email protected]>;
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]"
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Perldl] common denominator graphics for PDL
Hi,
I already started to do something, with some post on Prima, that
are now waiting for some
The point is that I do not consider code mining the way to do this, and would
need the help of developers to understand amd clarify many points. Told in
another way, if there are people that would put on writing, there should be
some kind of help to expose knowledge, from developers. As I already wrote,
restarting everyone from 0, as the code mining, is a malediction. It creates
the conditions to have back little or nothing, as one gets the grip is
exhausted.
Are you advertising yourself for the publication director?
I would be happy, both for PDL and Prima. The point is that this could work
only with the contribution of developers, in answering questions, and
clarifying points.
Fabio D'Alfonso
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On 7/13/2012 10:59 PM, Clifford Sobchuk wrote:
Fabio, I think that the last two lines are your in.... maybe PDL and Prima will
evolve to where you might be interested in contributing.
>
>Is it there yet for you? If so, I think that your contributions would be
>welcome. This is how we ended up with our spanky new web site. It had a lot to
>do with Daniel Carrera's drive to clean it up and make it more accessible to
>casual Perl users.
>
>It seems to me that you have some positive thoughts on how to bring about more
>accessibility to Perl users for the same reasons. Speaking for my self, I
>would welcome an on ramp for general users to Perl for scientific computing.
>The presentations that Maggie and David did at YAPC:NA 2012 I thought were a
>great direction.
>
>Can you explain a little more as to what you would be willing to do? I don't
>think that its that we don't want to improve things - just that the core
>developers can't. So that leaves us users that might have spare time but no
>direction as to how to help. But this, as you correctly state, needs a plan.
>Are you advertising yourself for the publication director?
>
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>________________________________
> From: Fabio D'Alfonso [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 2:06 PM
>To: chm
>Cc: Dmitry Karasik; [email protected]; [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Perldl] common denominator graphics for PDL
>
>
>Hi,
>I do not follow, this.
>
>Everyone contributes to the extent that they can.
>If you don't like what you see, wait a bit, maybe
>PDL and Prima will evolve to where you might be
>interested in contributing.
>
>On one side this is obvious, on the other it is a way to say
that in no way a concept be brought to a community. Only
spontaneous evolution is allowed.
>It also seems to mean, that my help is not of interest, as it
generates some work also for developers, of a kind the is
considered boring.
>
>Ok, let's wait if something happen...
>
>
>Fabio D'Alfonso
>'Enabling Business Through IT'
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On 7/13/2012 9:29 PM, chm wrote:
>
>On 7/13/2012 2:19 PM, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:
>>
>>Hi,
>>>it seems a very good idea.
>>>But about
>>>
>>>* The use of Prima will provide an easy
>>> to use, default GUI environment for more
>>> sophisticated and user friendly PDL
>>> applications.
>>>
>>>there are some things to consider.
>>>
>>
>>Both PDL and Prima have issues with documentation.
>>>I started to post something on perl.org about Prima, as is
known to followers of
>>>the Prima list and also with some kind help, found many issues
with undocumented
>>>behaviors.
>>>
>>I think both PDL and Prima would benefit from
>>motivated users who would be willing to contribute
>>improved documentation to the projects.
>>
>>
>>I would worry about the issues that the lack of documentation could bring to
>>the
>>>PDL/Prima Joint Venture. At the same time this could be a
great opportunity to
>>>bring together efforts to produce an adoptable resource.
>>>PDL /Prima are the only resources a available that have no
specific effort to
>>>produce an high quality "seems a book" document.
>>>
>>The PDL Book is a community effort in this direction.
>>
>>It is a very rough draft but a big step in the right
>>direction from where we were before. I'm hoping that
>>PDL+Prima will generate some synergy and a larger
>>Prima user base which could lead to contributions of
>>quality intro documentation and tutorials there
>>as well.
>>
>>
>>GTK2 has one (http://gtk2-perl.sourceforge.net/doc/gtk2-perl-study-guide/)
>>>Tk has one (Mastering/Tk, O'Reilly)
>>>
>>From my point of view, we have a bit of a chicken
>>and the egg problem with PDL+Prima. We need to
>>improve the market- and mind-share for both. More
>>users and general interest could lead to official
>>publications. In fact, I would be happy if the
>>PDL Book could serve as a starting point.
>>
>>
>>I would be happy to help in this project for the docs, but only if a highy
>>>revised documentation (as for example that of GTK2, to
consider something
>>>possible) in favor of users, and not a "pod 2 something", is
intended as a CORE
>>>part of the initiative.
>>>
>>Everyone contributes to the extent that they can.
>>If you don't like what you see, wait a bit, maybe
>>PDL and Prima will evolve to where you might be
>>interested in contributing.
>>
>>
>>I would propose to consider the ratio Number of Users / Number of Developers
>>as
>>>a success index for both PDL and Prima.
>>>
>>My goal is to increase the number of PDL users
>>so that the larger community might support/entice
>>a larger number of contributors to software and
>>documentation/tutorials for the project.
>>
>>Happy PDL-ing!
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>>Fabio D'Alfonso
>>>'Enabling Business Through IT'
>>>cell. +39.348.059.40.22 ***
>>>web: www.fabiodalfonso.com <http://www.fabiodalfonso.com/>
>>>email: [email protected]
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>>>On 7/13/2012 5:37 PM, chm wrote:
>>>
>>>David and all-
>>>>
>>>>I think it is time to resolve the PDL graphics
>>>>problem, "this missing link" by getting a basic,
>>>>standard capability for PDL.
>>>>
>>>>I propose the standard display graphics for
>>>>PDL be based on the Prima graphics toolkit
>>>>by Karasik et. al. and the current code for
>>>>PDL::Graphics::Prima by David Mertens.
>>>>
>>>>A start would be to review the common usage
>>>>of PGPLOT, PLplot, and Gnuplot to come up with
>>>>a Top 10 of use cases to implement. They
>>>>should be *very* simple to use and have smart
>>>>defaults so the common case versions of the
>>>>Top 10 can be done in 1-line or less. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Motivation/justification:
>>>>
>>>>* More beginning PDL users thanks to the
>>>> PDL Book and the increasing buildability
>>>> and usability of PDL on all platforms.
>>>> It makes it more glaring that we don't
>>>> have a good, common, default graphics.
>>>>
>>>>* Alien::XXX development has not matured
>>>> enough to allow easy use of PLplot and
>>>> PGPLOT and it is arguable that we want
>>>> the base display graphics to be readily
>>>> available from perl/CPAN which Prima
>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>>* The use of Prima will provide an easy
>>>> to use, default GUI environment for more
>>>> sophisticated and user friendly PDL
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>>* If we could get that base graphics up
>>>> and running for the next point release
>>>> (which will include the new NiceSlice
>>>> filter engine and 64bit indexing) we
>>>> would have a compelling platform for
>>>> future growth.
>>>>
>>>>One downside, I am not prepared to push
>>>>this effort through as I'm pretty busy
>>>>working to make time for the final 64bit
>>>>index development and the new NiceSlice
>>>>engine support (the missing piece is the
>>>>ability to use NiceSlice in an eval such
>>>>as the pdl2 or perldl shells.
>>>>
>>>>I'm hoping that David might be willing
>>>>to spearhead this development and maybe
>>>>hold off on the Core diving for a bit.
>>>>
>>>>At any rate, I think the time is right
>>>>for this to happen and the sooner the
>>>>better.
>>>>
>>>>Thoughts, comments, "volunteers"?
>>>>
>>>>--Chris
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