Please remove me from this mailing list.
Thanks
________________________________
From: Fabio D'Alfonso <[email protected]>
To: chm <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]; Dmitry Karasik <[email protected]>;
[email protected]
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Perldl] common denominator graphics for PDL
Hi,
I do not follow, this.
Everyone contributes to the extent that they can.
If you don't like what you see, wait a bit, maybe
PDL and Prima will evolve to where you might be
interested in contributing.
On one side this is obvious, on the other it is a way to say that
in no way a concept be brought to a community. Only spontaneous
evolution is allowed.
It also seems to mean, that my help is not of interest, as it
generates some work also for developers, of a kind the is
considered boring.
Ok, let's wait if something happen...
Fabio D'Alfonso
'Enabling Business Through IT'
cell. +39.348.059.40.22 *
web: www.fabiodalfonso.com
email: [email protected]
linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/fabiodalfonso
twitter: www.twitter.com/#!/fabio_dalfonso
fax: +39.06.874.599.581
BlackBerry® Wireless Enabled Address.
* Hidden numbers are automatically rejected by the phone
On 7/13/2012 9:29 PM, chm wrote:
On 7/13/2012 2:19 PM, Fabio D'Alfonso wrote:
>
>Hi,
>>it seems a very good idea.
>>But about
>>
>>* The use of Prima will provide an easy
>> to use, default GUI environment for more
>> sophisticated and user friendly PDL
>> applications.
>>
>>there are some things to consider.
>>
>
>Both PDL and Prima have issues with documentation.
>>I started to post something on perl.org about Prima, as is known
to followers of
>>the Prima list and also with some kind help, found many issues
with undocumented
>>behaviors.
>>
>I think both PDL and Prima would benefit from
>motivated users who would be willing to contribute
>improved documentation to the projects.
>
>
>I would worry about the issues that the lack of documentation could bring to
>the
>>PDL/Prima Joint Venture. At the same time this could be a great
opportunity to
>>bring together efforts to produce an adoptable resource.
>>PDL /Prima are the only resources a available that have no
specific effort to
>>produce an high quality "seems a book" document.
>>
>The PDL Book is a community effort in this direction.
>
>It is a very rough draft but a big step in the right
>direction from where we were before. I'm hoping that
>PDL+Prima will generate some synergy and a larger
>Prima user base which could lead to contributions of
>quality intro documentation and tutorials there
>as well.
>
>
>GTK2 has one (http://gtk2-perl.sourceforge.net/doc/gtk2-perl-study-guide/)
>>Tk has one (Mastering/Tk, O'Reilly)
>>
>From my point of view, we have a bit of a chicken
>and the egg problem with PDL+Prima. We need to
>improve the market- and mind-share for both. More
>users and general interest could lead to official
>publications. In fact, I would be happy if the
>PDL Book could serve as a starting point.
>
>
>I would be happy to help in this project for the docs, but only if a highy
>>revised documentation (as for example that of GTK2, to consider
something
>>possible) in favor of users, and not a "pod 2 something", is
intended as a CORE
>>part of the initiative.
>>
>Everyone contributes to the extent that they can.
>If you don't like what you see, wait a bit, maybe
>PDL and Prima will evolve to where you might be
>interested in contributing.
>
>
>I would propose to consider the ratio Number of Users / Number of Developers
>as
>>a success index for both PDL and Prima.
>>
>My goal is to increase the number of PDL users
>so that the larger community might support/entice
>a larger number of contributors to software and
>documentation/tutorials for the project.
>
>Happy PDL-ing!
>Chris
>
>
>
>>Fabio D'Alfonso
>>'Enabling Business Through IT'
>>cell. +39.348.059.40.22 ***
>>web: www.fabiodalfonso.com <http://www.fabiodalfonso.com/>
>>email: [email protected]
>><mailto:[email protected]>linkedin:
>>www.linkedin.com/in/fabiodalfonso <http://it.linkedin.com/in/fabiodalfonso>
>>twitter: www.twitter.com/#!/fabio_dalfonso
>><http://www.twitter.com/#%21/fabio_dalfonso>
>>
>>fax: +39.06.874.599.581
>>BlackBerry® Wireless Enabled Address.
>>
>>
>> ** Hidden numbers are automatically rejected by the
phone*
>>
>>On 7/13/2012 5:37 PM, chm wrote:
>>
>>David and all-
>>>
>>>I think it is time to resolve the PDL graphics
>>>problem, "this missing link" by getting a basic,
>>>standard capability for PDL.
>>>
>>>I propose the standard display graphics for
>>>PDL be based on the Prima graphics toolkit
>>>by Karasik et. al. and the current code for
>>>PDL::Graphics::Prima by David Mertens.
>>>
>>>A start would be to review the common usage
>>>of PGPLOT, PLplot, and Gnuplot to come up with
>>>a Top 10 of use cases to implement. They
>>>should be *very* simple to use and have smart
>>>defaults so the common case versions of the
>>>Top 10 can be done in 1-line or less. :-)
>>>
>>>Motivation/justification:
>>>
>>>* More beginning PDL users thanks to the
>>> PDL Book and the increasing buildability
>>> and usability of PDL on all platforms.
>>> It makes it more glaring that we don't
>>> have a good, common, default graphics.
>>>
>>>* Alien::XXX development has not matured
>>> enough to allow easy use of PLplot and
>>> PGPLOT and it is arguable that we want
>>> the base display graphics to be readily
>>> available from perl/CPAN which Prima
>>> is.
>>>
>>>* The use of Prima will provide an easy
>>> to use, default GUI environment for more
>>> sophisticated and user friendly PDL
>>> applications.
>>>
>>>* If we could get that base graphics up
>>> and running for the next point release
>>> (which will include the new NiceSlice
>>> filter engine and 64bit indexing) we
>>> would have a compelling platform for
>>> future growth.
>>>
>>>One downside, I am not prepared to push
>>>this effort through as I'm pretty busy
>>>working to make time for the final 64bit
>>>index development and the new NiceSlice
>>>engine support (the missing piece is the
>>>ability to use NiceSlice in an eval such
>>>as the pdl2 or perldl shells.
>>>
>>>I'm hoping that David might be willing
>>>to spearhead this development and maybe
>>>hold off on the Core diving for a bit.
>>>
>>>At any rate, I think the time is right
>>>for this to happen and the sooner the
>>>better.
>>>
>>>Thoughts, comments, "volunteers"?
>>>
>>>--Chris
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Perldl mailing list
>>>[email protected]
>>>http://mailman.jach.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/perldl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Perldl mailing list
>>[email protected]
>>http://mailman.jach.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/perldl
>>
>>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
Perldl mailing list
[email protected]
http://mailman.jach.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/perldl
