The really great thing about EOP is that most of the downsides you mentioned can be got around.
1. If you get a plug-through Ethernet device (such as the Solwise 200Mbps HomePlug AV Ethernet Adaptor with Simple Connect & Mains Through or the slightly more catchy 'piggy6' which is a hexagonal 6-way powerstrip with 3 powerline Ethernet ports on the bottom) you can easily plug in surge protection devices (although I'm guessing it's already built in to these devices so you may not need to - result!) - I'd recommend Solwise as a good supplier for powerline Ethernet (and other stuff too!) - http://solwise.co.uk/ 2. As one of my hobbies is building PCs it may be possible for me to max out the 16 devices. At the moment I have 1 in operation but I have a few more on the planning board and if I get a family or flatmates that'd add more. I'm guessing Andy may have more than 16 computers - although I'm less sure that he has more than 16 networkable ones or whether he'd network them all if he had. The thing is that by using a normal wired router (which will cost you less than the cheapest powerline network device) you can instantly add as many more devices to your network as you have ports on your switch/router/hub/bridge. The difficulty with this might be in getting the homeplug to 'see' the router and vice versa - as, at least on my system, they seem to need some kind of software installed to see each other - but having said that I've had my cable modem attached to my PC via homeplug so it must be 'doable' - just maybe a bit more complex. 3. Similarly, if you have more than one ring-main I'm assuming you can have 16 devices on each ring-main and bridge the gap with a bridger/router etc. The other great thing is that it doesn't interfere with X10 home automation so, if you're into that (and it's something I'M looking into), you can network PCs using homeplug and also network PCs with interactive lightbulbs, switches etc. over the same mains power. Using 3 pin plugs for power alone is SO early last century! ;) Regards, Timothy Timothy Rayner Office Junior and Trainee Web Developer Khi-Ro Limited t. +44 (0)1733 405820 [email protected] Khi-Ro Limited 14 Orton Enterprise Centre * Bakewell Road * Orton Southgate * Peterborough PE2 6XU Fax: 01733 394123 * Registered in England and Wales 3615372 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 19 April 2009 22:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Peterboro Digest, Vol 258, Issue 5 Send Peterboro mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/peterboro or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peterboro digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ethernet over power (Richard Forth) 2. Re: Ethernet over power (Richard Forth) 3. Re: Ethernet over power (Malcolm Hunter) 4. Re: Ethernet over power (Andy Fletcher) 5. Re: Ethernet over power (Tony Vroon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:15:28 +0100 From: Richard Forth <[email protected]> Subject: [Peterboro] Ethernet over power To: Peterborough LUG - No commercial posts <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Just thought I would post up a review really for anyone interested. I finally bit the bullet and just bought a* Belkin 200Mbps Powerline AV Starter Kit* - its really awesome - honestly if any of you are having problems with linux (or even windows / mac etc) and wireless, believe me this is SO COOL and SO SIMPLE I think this will be the next big thing since "wireless" was a buzzword. "Ethernet over power" is going to be the next buzz word I am sure. http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459694 I got this from Staples in Boulevard Retail Park, Peterborough - for ?97.and some oddments, it was on sale in PC world for ?129.99 so it pays to shop around like I did, and saved myself 30 quid. It really is unbeleivably painless to set up, you just decide (this is a belkin-specific thing I think) if you want to use it as a direct adapter for the wall or with a little lead thing, there are two adapters, with two choices of "plug" for each one, (additional adapters can be bought spearately) once you've slid on the mains adapter of choice you just stick it in the wall plug nearest your ADSL router, and run a standard patch cable from the router's ethernet port to the power adapter in the wall, then all you have to do is run upstairs (or wherever) and plug the other adapter in the wall socket nearest the PC and plug in another ethernet cable and into the PC - although I have two PCs upstairs and so I plugged in a 5 port switch. Thats all there is to it, I just booted up, got my DHCP address from the router and badabing badaboom as if by magic next thing you know I'm surfing the net over ethernet (over power) and updating my linux distro with all the latest patches etc...no more wireless hassles for me Woo HOO! Aparently there are a few proviso's: Ethernet over power will only work on the same "ring main" - this makes sense as all it does essentially is use your ring main and use it as a "ring" network topology. So if you do have more than one ring main, make sure all connected devices are on the same one - (I think most houses only have one ring main but its worth noting). Ethernet over power will not work or might work but with degraded service if used with surge protectors, it is not advised to plug EOP devices into surge protectors. Each ethernet over power device (node on the ring main) can support a maximum of 16 connected (switched) devices. Anyone got more than 16 computers at home? LOL Anyway I rate this product very highly and I reccommend it fully. 10/10 If you are struggling to get wireless going, this will solve your problems and althoguh its like almost 100 pounds its worth it, my download speeds have almost doubled now I have switched from wireless to ethernet over power. I can't reccommend it enough. Hope this is useful. -- ***** Richard Forth For great natural health, nutrition, animal care and beauty products, visit my online store: http://www.aloevera-crowland.co.uk To change your life and circumstances: http://www.soaringteam.com/users/invite/MyVideoPage.php?Passcode=2118 Call me now for more info: Voicemail: 01733 807 861 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/peterboro/attachments/20090419/f3381 b31/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:32:14 +0100 From: Richard Forth <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Peterboro] Ethernet over power To: Peterborough LUG - No commercial posts <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just realised the one in the link I sent is not the exact one I bought, the one I bought has a single ethernet port - these had three - sorry. 2009/4/19 Richard Forth <[email protected]> > Hi > > Just thought I would post up a review really for anyone interested. > > I finally bit the bullet and just bought a* Belkin 200Mbps Powerline AV > Starter Kit* - its really awesome - honestly if any of you are having > problems with linux (or even windows / mac etc) and wireless, believe me > this is SO COOL and SO SIMPLE I think this will be the next big thing since > "wireless" was a buzzword. > > "Ethernet over power" is going to be the next buzz word I am sure. > > http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459694 > > I got this from Staples in Boulevard Retail Park, Peterborough - for > ?97.and some oddments, it was on sale in PC world for ?129.99 so it pays to > shop around like I did, and saved myself 30 quid. > > It really is unbeleivably painless to set up, you just decide (this is a > belkin-specific thing I think) if you want to use it as a direct adapter for > the wall or with a little lead thing, there are two adapters, with two > choices of "plug" for each one, (additional adapters can be bought > spearately) once you've slid on the mains adapter of choice you just stick > it in the wall plug nearest your ADSL router, and run a standard patch cable > from the router's ethernet port to the power adapter in the wall, then all > you have to do is run upstairs (or wherever) and plug the other adapter in > the wall socket nearest the PC and plug in another ethernet cable and into > the PC - although I have two PCs upstairs and so I plugged in a 5 port > switch. > > Thats all there is to it, I just booted up, got my DHCP address from the > router and badabing badaboom as if by magic next thing you know I'm surfing > the net over ethernet (over power) and updating my linux distro with all the > latest patches etc...no more wireless hassles for me Woo HOO! > > Aparently there are a few proviso's: > > Ethernet over power will only work on the same "ring main" - this makes > sense as all it does essentially is use your ring main and use it as a > "ring" network topology. So if you do have more than one ring main, make > sure all connected devices are on the same one - (I think most houses only > have one ring main but its worth noting). > > Ethernet over power will not work or might work but with degraded service > if used with surge protectors, it is not advised to plug EOP devices into > surge protectors. > > Each ethernet over power device (node on the ring main) can support a > maximum of 16 connected (switched) devices. Anyone got more than 16 > computers at home? LOL > > Anyway I rate this product very highly and I reccommend it fully. 10/10 > > If you are struggling to get wireless going, this will solve your problems > and althoguh its like almost 100 pounds its worth it, my download speeds > have almost doubled now I have switched from wireless to ethernet over > power. I can't reccommend it enough. > > Hope this is useful. > > -- > ***** > Richard Forth > > For great natural health, nutrition, animal care and beauty products, visit > my online store: > http://www.aloevera-crowland.co.uk > > To change your life and circumstances: > http://www.soaringteam.com/users/invite/MyVideoPage.php?Passcode=2118 > > Call me now for more info: > > Voicemail: 01733 807 861 > > > > -- ***** Richard Forth For great natural health, nutrition, animal care and beauty products, visit my online store: http://www.aloevera-crowland.co.uk To change your life and circumstances: http://www.soaringteam.com/users/invite/MyVideoPage.php?Passcode=2118 Call me now for more info: Voicemail: 01733 807 861 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/peterboro/attachments/20090419/17bd7 300/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:56:20 +0200 From: "Malcolm Hunter" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Peterboro] Ethernet over power To: Peterborough LUG - No commercial posts <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Just thought I would post up a review really for anyone interested. > > I finally bit the bullet and just bought a* Belkin 200Mbps Powerline AV > Starter Kit* - its really awesome - honestly if any of you are having > problems with linux (or even windows / mac etc) and wireless, believe me > this is SO COOL and SO SIMPLE I think this will be the next big thing > since > "wireless" was a buzzword. > > "Ethernet over power" is going to be the next buzz word I am sure. > > http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=459694 > > I got this from Staples in Boulevard Retail Park, Peterborough - for > ?97.and some oddments, it was on sale in PC world for ?129.99 so it pays > to > shop around like I did, and saved myself 30 quid. Is this the same as the ones from Ebuyer for ?68? I was toying with the idea of getting the Linksys 85Mbps homeplugs for about the same money. The Belkin one's do look nice too though. I want to see if I can stream HD video from my PC upstairs to my Xbox 360 in the living room. Malc -- Technical copy-editor & proofreader KDE Proofreading Team KDE British English Translation Team http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=en_GB Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh?rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:05:43 +0100 From: Andy Fletcher <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Peterboro] Ethernet over power To: Peterborough LUG - No commercial posts <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:56:20 PM, Malcolm Hunter wrote: > Is this the same as the ones from Ebuyer for ?68? I was toying with > the idea of getting the Linksys 85Mbps homeplugs for about the same > money. The Belkin one's do look nice too though. I want to see if I > can stream HD video from my PC upstairs to my Xbox 360 in the living room. I've heard people say you get about half the advertised speed of whatever over-power product you buy. I managed to steam H.264 over (not a fantastic signal) 54g wifi, but it was iffy. In the end (and for other reasons too) I ran a cable and over 100Mbit ethernet it's great. -- Best regards, Andy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:43:58 +0100 From: Tony Vroon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Peterboro] Ethernet over power To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:56:20 +0200 "Malcolm Hunter" <[email protected]> wrote: > Is this the same as the ones from Ebuyer for ?68? Short answer: No. Long answer: The Belkin plugs that Richard describe comply to the HomePlug AV standard. Note the "AV", which means it can actually get you sufficient bandwidth for a 100Mbit link. I have the same devices and second his recommendation. They work very well. HomePlug 1.0 was released in 2001 and handles up to 14Mbit/s (so it is suitable for 10Mbit/s ethernet links). The 85Mbit devices that Malcolm is referring to handle either HomePlug 1.0 at 10Mbit/sec or a proprietary 85Mbit/s turbo mode. They are based on an Intellon chip, and only implement HomePlug on a very low speed. (So to advertise it as HomePlug-compatible is only part of the truth, and to say it is HomePlug 85Mbit/s is a lie.) HomePlug AV was released in late 2005 and can handle up to 189Mbit/s; leaving you sufficient bandwidth for 100Mbit/s ethernet. Note that 1.0 & AV products will not interoperate without a bridge, but they will coexist on the same wiring. Look for a 'HomePlug AV' mention on powerline products and don't buy anything new that doesn't have it. Regards, Tony V. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknrmyEACgkQp5vW4rUFj5o9rwCfb9VyFz0psbgrHGtCAB95GMOV DcoAn2U7wepHJx4Bj4ftt/W4T7m12pmX =sV6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Peterboro mailing list [email protected] https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/peterboro End of Peterboro Digest, Vol 258, Issue 5 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Peterboro mailing list [email protected] https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/peterboro
