On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 09:44:16PM -0800, the entity calling itself Brian Keefer 
stated:

> > What's regretful about this behavior is not that the Internet gives them the
> > freedom to deliver their scummy payloads - the regretful thing is that they
> > are either desparate or unprincipled enough to abuse this freedom.
> 
> Yes, so why punish those that abide by the laws (well, thanks to
> Congress most spammers are now "lawful", but let's just use California
> and Virginia's laws for the sake of argument)?

Punish??? Your idea of punishment is requiring someone to send his mail 
through an approved relay?

> > I believe Mr. Micakovic's ISP deserves a gold-plated "atta' boy" for
> > imposing this requirement. I hope that they disclosed this 
> > restriction to Mr. Micakovic before he signed up, but in any case their 
> > policy will reduce the amount of spam on the Internet.

> Not necessarily.  Most non-"lawful" spam these days comes from
> compromised boxes.  Many times they have dynamic IPs, many times they
> don't.  It just depends who was careless and what software/OS is
> vulnerable

Oh puh-leeze, let's deal with real numbers here, at least. I've got 
mine:

http://abuse.easynet.nl/spamstats.html
 
Where are yours?

>
> <snip a bunch of been there, done that>
>

 < snip a bunch of idealistic meandering >

I don't think you get it; you never will get it until you've been there.

> Oh by the way, I happen to work for an e-mail security company that is
> heavily involved with anti-spam projects, just in case you think I'm
> pontificating with no experience in the matter.

Well that's great. Let us hear from you again when you've solved the 
spam problem without filtering dynamic ip addresses.

Rgds,
Jay Moore

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