On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 02:04:41PM -0600, Jay Moore wrote: > Predrag Micakovic said: > > > 1. Changed the rdr rule, did telnet to port 2025 from outside, > > redirected to my server to port 25, works fine. Obviously, the ISP is > > blocking port 25. Bad ISP.
Let me quote myself here, in an attempt to exemplify how a wrong choice of words can change history. I should have thought more before writing than bad isp over there. It was meant more as a prop-word than any sort of criticism. That being said: I have read with great interest all the emails, and it seems that both opinions have pros and cons. However, I have a range of fixed ip addresses here. Finally, there is no choice but to relay to isp�s mail server. Fine, but I would still have preferred doing it directly. When starting this project I did not receive administrative documentation (the one of isp included in this lack of paperwork), so that I had no insight into their policy. Of course, if it be such, I mean no harm at all. Let me also stress here, that I do agree with ISPs trying to reduce the spam manice somehow. On the other hand, what my company does is our own business, and I see no place for other people mingling with our emails. It just leaves a terrible sense of using the Internet as a toy when you are not allowed to organize your communication the way you want. I realize, of course, that we would have much more to to in order to secure our servers, in order to fight spam ourselves - but let us presume that we are willing to do that. Oh, for fear of being wrongly interpreted: if you sell a thing called Internet Access for Companies, then you also must presume some of those companies might want to control their own life. I guess it boils down to this: the phone company sells you several phone numbers, but you cannot call your business partner directly, because there are too many agents out there trying to sell all sorts of things who constantly bother other phone owners with their calls. However, my business is my own concern, and I simply do not want Misses Operator to listen to each and every conversation that I make. I apologize for accidentaly provoking a debate that does not genuinely belong to pf mailing list. And I really appreciate your opinions. With best regards, Predrag --
