On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:03 AM, Craig Ringer <cr...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:

> On 12/12/2012 06:44 AM, Evgeny Shishkin wrote:
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:41 AM, Niels Kristian Schjødt 
>> <nielskrist...@autouncle.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Are you using a hardware based raid controller with them?
>>> 
>> Yes, of course. Hardware raid with cache and bbu is a must. You can't get 
>> fast fsync without it.
> 
> Most SSDs should offer fairly fast fsync without a hardware RAID controller, 
> as they do write-back caching. The trick is to find ones that do write-back 
> caching safely, so you don't get severe data corruption on power-loss. 
> 

Actually most of low-end SSDs don't do write caching, they do not have enough 
ram for that. Sandforce for example.

> A HW RAID controller is an absolute must for rotating magnetic media, though.
> 
>> Also mdadm is a pain in the ass and is suitable only on amazon and other 
>> cloud shit.
> 
> I've personally been pretty happy with mdadm. I find the array portability it 
> offers very useful, so I don't need to buy a second RAID controller just in 
> case my main controller dies and I need a compatible one to get the array 
> running again. If you don't need a BBU for safe write-back caching then mdadm 
> has advantages over hardware RAID.
> 

If we are talking about dedicated machine for database with ssd drives, why 
would anybody don't by hardware raid for about 500-700$?  

> I'll certainly use mdadm over onboard fakeraid solutions or low-end hardware 
> RAID controllers. I suspect a mid- to high end HW RAID unit will generally 
> win.
> 

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