On 9 January 2014 10:38, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: > The history hack did totally not work for end users, many people, > including myself, lost code, often without noticing or understanding it at > first. > > This 'warning, you did not accept' is/was important and solid, if you want > to replace that the solution should be really good - it was not. > > Don't shoot on Nicolai, he tried to fix it, after asking around. > > i'm not shooting anyone, i just sad there is no progress :) and instead even regress, because now i should also answer 'yes/no' when i press cmd-L..
If some people will need to be asked are they really really really fucking sure they wanted to press a key they pressed, each time they pressing the key, why others, who don't need such stupidity should suffer? On 09 Jan 2014, at 10:27, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 9 January 2014 08:50, Nicolai Hess <nicolaih...@web.de> wrote: > > > > 2014/1/9 Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > On 8 January 2014 22:04, dimitris chloupis <theki...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > I don't like an app that does not ask for my confirmation , because I > tend to do a lot of stupid mistakes along the way and I want to be able to > fix everyone of them even before they happen. Please don't remove that, > that would be reason enough for me to stop using Pharo. > > > > for stupid mistakes, there's (or should be , if missing) - undo. > > > > Another recipe: just don't make mistakes :) > > > > Undo also wont do, because I dont always realise my mistakes until much > later on. > > > > sorry.. but then perhaps you should find different occupation? :) > > computers (and software systems we writing) will never be smart enough > to predict or prevent you from doing mistakes. putting 'are you really > really sure?' popups everywhere doesn't helps but just serves as a > distraction.. because at certain point, your reaction on these popups > become completely mechanical and just cost you extra time and no cognitive > load only a distraction. > > > > at the end, it is just silly: the point is that i am always sure about > things i do, when interacting with my computer. if i'm not, i simply don't > (or i save and then proceed with caution).. and in any case, i don't need > stupid UI asking me about things i already decided to do (yes i am sort of > man, who disables file deletion warning, if it provided). > > > > when you pushing gas pedal in your car, or brakes, are there also popups > which freezes your feet and asks to press yes or no before proceed? > > because wrong decision could cost you much more - your own life. > > > > And having to undo all my work to fix a stupid mistake is a nightmare. > The only thing that would make sense for removing confirmation dialogs is > editable action history. Take a look at Photoshop. Some 3d apps also have > something similar. Every action is recorded at a history ( a list) and > there is a gui that allow you to remove individual actions without deleting > or affecting other actions. Very cool stuff. > > > > that what we did with Ben: there is navigation history, where you can > find unsaved changes. but people prefer popping up red herrings instead. > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, 8 January 2014, 11:44, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > i want to discard. discard this modal thingies altogether.. > > and we did that with Ben, but then people turned their nose against it > and rolled back the change. > > > > > > On 8 January 2014 17:02, Sean P. DeNigris <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote: > > I still have these un-interact-able pop ups following me around endlessly > > when I have unaccepted edits in Nautilus. It seems intermittent. Not sure > > how exactly to reproduce… Anyone else? > > > > b.t.w. the secret seems to be to bring up halos on the pop-up and > clicking > > the (x) halo. Trying to click its buttons only makes it angry > > > > > > > > ----- > > Cheers, > > Sean > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Do-you-want-to-accept-Discard-tp4735220.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > > > I don't think we have to discuss what would be the better alternative. > People have different preferences and different workflows. > > Why don't we make a setting for this? Something like "Codepanes can > discard edits", and let Nautilus and other > > codepanes behave like the Workspace (I remember a time when workspaces > asked too before discarding edits) > > > > About the editing history, most people said it is a good idea. The > reason I reverted this back was not someone > > doesn't like it. It just didn't worked. > > As commented in the bug case: > > 1. not alll interactions created an editing history entry. > > 2. throwing away the history on window closing was at leas unexpected > for some users. > > 3. the history that was used for both, navigation and editing, is > limited to 15 entries > > > > .. and instead of fixing the above things was thrown away. > > We will never have good UI if we will use such strategy to develop it. > > > > Nicolai > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
