We can have both, or we can make it super easy to enable or customise them.
Phil has a point: it seems there is some standard out there. > On 19 Apr 2016, at 22:49, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.mira...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 6:52 AM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: > >> > >> This F keys suck! > > > > > > +1. How do you remember which F key does what in the Debugger? F10 - fix > > my code to be a perfect 10?? > > > Yeah, sure. > > Visual Studio is standardized on that an millions of people are using it. > https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa239052%28v=vs.60%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 > > Same for PhpStorm, WebStorm, and Intellij IDEA, also used by millions. > Talk about keymaps: check this --> > https://www.jetbrains.com/help/phpstorm/2016.1/function-keys.html?origin=old_help > (note the dropdown on the top right). > > Let's talk Chrome devtools (just a litte user base of millions as well): > > F8 -> Run > F10 -> Step over > F11 -> Step into > > Let's talk Firefox (okay, a tad less users) > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Debugger/Keyboard_shortcuts > > Resume execution when at a breakpoint F8 > Step over F10 > Step into F11 > Step out Shift + F11 > > CodeBlocks IDE > http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php/Keyboard_Shortcuts > > Debug > > Function Shortcut Key > Debug F8 > Continue debugging Ctrl + F7 > Step over a code block F7 > Step into a code block Shift + F7 > Step out of a code block Ctrl + Shift + F7 > Toggle breakpoint F5 > Run to cursor F4 > Previous error Alt + F1 > Next error Alt + F2 > > Vim plugins for debugging Ruby: > > You may find useful to override default shortcut commands by F5-F8 shortcuts. > Add these to your .vimrc: > > map <F7> :call g:RubyDebugger.step()<CR> > map <F5> :call g:RubyDebugger.next()<CR> > map <F8> :call g:RubyDebugger.continue()<CR> > > Even SAP uses F keys for that. > > > f5->step by step > f6->to skip the statements like perform,module,.. > f7->to come out from the form,module,.. > f8->run upto the cursor or run completely > > R studio: > > Toggle Breakpoint Shift+F9 > Execute Next Line F10 > Step Into Function Shift+F4 > Finish Function/Loop Shift+F6 > Continue Shift+F5 > Stop Debugging Shift+F8 > > > Delphi: > > F4 Run program to current cursor position > F5 Toggle breakpoint > F7 Debugger step into > Shift - F7 Trace into next source line > F8 Debugger step over > Shift - F8 Run until return > F9 Run program under debugger > > > ActiveState Komodo IDE: > > Step In F11 > Step Over F10 > Step Out Shift-F11 > Start F5 > > CodeLite > > Start/continue debugger F5 > Step Into F11 > Next F10 > Step Out Shift-F11 > > Dolphin X6 > > Go F5 > Step Into F11 > Step Over F10 > Step Out Shift-F11 > Run to cursor Ctl-F10 > Run Ctl-F5 > Restart Ctl-Shift-F5 > > Toad debugger for PL/SQL > > F11 > Run (continue execution) > F12 > Run to cursor > SHIFT+F5 > Set or delete a breakpoint on the current line > SHIFT+F7 > Trace into > SHIFT+F8 > Step over > SHIFT+F10 > Trace out > > Visualworks debugger > > Step Into: F5 > Step: F6 > Step Over: F7 > Run: F9 > > World+dog uses F keys for debugging. > > But Pharo? Nah! > > We have a great debugger? Sure let's hide it under absconse shortcuts that > only we know. > > New debugger is nicer looking but more painful to use and I never used any > shortcut on it as they aren't those standard things. > > Anyway, I should be able to hack that the way I want, so, no real issue. > > Remember, first impressions count. > This is a key one if we put "programming in the debugger" as a strong point > of the environment. > > Ok on a Mac, F keys do involve a 'Fn' press because they are hidden under > volume, brightness etc. > So, on a Mac, that is more sucky than on Unix or Windows. Sure. There's a > system preference to switch to normal. > > I'll get a hotmilk and a walk now. Need to calm down. "Functions keys do > suck" What ?! > > Phil > > > >> > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> Le 17/4/16 18:00, Ben Coman a écrit : > >> > >>> Interesting. A search turned up... Quick Tip Debugger Shortcut Key > >>> Reference > >>> http://www.mularien.com/blog/category/eclipse/ > >>> > >>> cheers -ben > >>> > >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:15 PM, philippe.b...@highoctane.be > >>> <philippe.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Most of the world IDE use function keys for debugging. > >>>> > >>>> Additional benefit: easier for newcomers to use it. > >>>> > >>>> Having the buttons on the top is a pain as the code pane is at the bottom > >>>> and requires travels all the time. > >>>> > >>>> Phil > >>>> > >>>> On Apr 17, 2016 4:57 PM, "Peter Uhnák" <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, I've added a startup script for myself... but it would be nice to > >>>>> have it everywhere by default in some variant... > >>>>> > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> StartupPreferencesLoader default executeAtomicItems: { > >>>>> StartupAction > >>>>> name: 'Change debugger labels & shortcuts' > >>>>> code: [ > >>>>> GLMMorphicActionRenderer compile: ( > >>>>> (GLMMorphicActionRenderer>>#render:) sourceCode > >>>>> copyReplaceAll: 'setBalloonText: (anAction title' > >>>>> with: 'setBalloonText: (anAction title asString' > >>>>> ). > >>>>> RestartDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText > >>>>> ^ ''R'''. > >>>>> RestartDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel > >>>>> ^ ''Restart'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: > >>>>> 1'. > >>>>> ResumeDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText > >>>>> ^ ''P'''. > >>>>> ResumeDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel > >>>>> ^ ''Proceed'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: > >>>>> 1'. > >>>>> StepIntoDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText > >>>>> ^ ''I'''. > >>>>> StepIntoDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel > >>>>> ^ ''Into'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: 1'. > >>>>> StepOverDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel > >>>>> ^ ''Over'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: 1'. > >>>>> StepThroughDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel > >>>>> ^ ''Through'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: > >>>>> 1'. > >>>>> ] > >>>>> runOnce: true. > >>>>> } > >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Let’s turn this energy into something positive. Please propose a > >>>>>>> concrete set of default keybindings that you think would work better. > >>>>>>> In > >>>>>>> this process, please take into account all keybindings that are > >>>>>>> already > >>>>>>> defined in the code editor (it might not be so easy as it appears). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> As I've said: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 1. can we unify the shift vs ctrl+shift nonsense? (I'm using linux btw) > >>>>>> 2. can we use the default shortcuts pattern where one of the letters is > >>>>>> underlined? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> as for the shortcuts themselves, problem is proceed, restart & into > >>>>>> > >>>>>> proceed: ctrl+shift+p is not taken, so I don't see why it has shortcut > >>>>>> confusing with restart > >>>>>> restart: ctrl+shift+r indents, but I'd argue that uniformity is more > >>>>>> important here... indent is just convenience > >>>>>> into: ctrl+shift+i is taken (I've never used it, but it maybe it's > >>>>>> important), but we can still use ctrl+shift+n and underline n (point 2) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If points 1 & 2 are implemented, then the letter is not as important, > >>>>>> although first letter is always preferable. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Peter > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>> Doru > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm getting fed-up with GTDebugger shortcuts since they are > >>>>>>>> completely > >>>>>>>> random. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Can we have them more meaningful and/or somehow visible? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For now I ended up overriding the labels so I can at least see > >>>>>>>> them... > >>>>>>>> but doing this is also stupid, because I still have to look at them > >>>>>>>> since I > >>>>>>>> cannot remember random shortcuts. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <debugger.png> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 1. can we unify the shift vs ctrl+shift nonsense? (I'm using linux > >>>>>>>> btw) > >>>>>>>> 2. can we use the default shortcuts pattern where one of the letters > >>>>>>>> is underlined? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Peter > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>>>>>> www.feenk.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "Value is always contextual." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > _,,,^..^,,,_ > > best, Eliot
