On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 8:50 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 8:17 PM, p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be> > wrote: > >> Hitting a single key instead of Ctl-Alt-whatever madness. >> > > Hmm. That's a good point. And since the shortcut name takes barely any > space it could be presented alongside the label. > > Proceed[F5] or Into[6] > > On the other hand, for me personally at least... pressing ctrl+shift takes > very little hand movement, while F keys are quite far. But then again, I'm > using Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keybord 4000 which is _really_ big, on > laptop it may not be such an issue. > Microsoft Digital Media Pro Keyboard in this office. Not exactly small. Still not the Logitech G19 for gaming that I have on another machine. But there is space for a small card on top of the Fx keys. F5 for step through, F6 for step over, F7 for step into, F8 for run to here would be a nice 4 key setup. Add F9 for create. >> Note that most people have some Java background so, F5->F8 makes a lot of >> sense. >> > >> Also, Windows has Ctrl instead of Alt for most actions in Pharo5, that's >> annoying. >> > > That's annoying also for other shortcuts… such as alt+c/alt+v for copy > pasting, which is really weird (unless it has been fixed). > Yes but once used to it, both should work. > > >> >> And you can put a little paper on top of them for easy reference. >> >> If we could have something like >> http://community.sparxsystems.com/community-resources/509-81enterprise-architect-shortcuts-reference-card >> for Pharo, using a bunch of function keys, that would be cool. >> > > I have more keyboard keys above F keys :( … for example to instantly > launch Pharo :) > :) > > Peter > > >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So they use F keys, however they are clearly not uniform either, so I >>> don't see the appeal. Not to mention that they will be just as hard to >>> remember. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting. A search turned up... Quick Tip Debugger Shortcut Key >>>> Reference >>>> http://www.mularien.com/blog/category/eclipse/ >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:15 PM, philippe.b...@highoctane.be >>>> <philippe.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Most of the world IDE use function keys for debugging. >>>> > >>>> > Additional benefit: easier for newcomers to use it. >>>> > >>>> > Having the buttons on the top is a pain as the code pane is at the >>>> bottom >>>> > and requires travels all the time. >>>> > >>>> > Phil >>>> > >>>> > On Apr 17, 2016 4:57 PM, "Peter Uhnák" <i.uh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Well, I've added a startup script for myself... but it would be nice >>>> to >>>> >> have it everywhere by default in some variant... >>>> >> >>>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >> StartupPreferencesLoader default executeAtomicItems: { >>>> >> StartupAction >>>> >> name: 'Change debugger labels & shortcuts' >>>> >> code: [ >>>> >> GLMMorphicActionRenderer compile: ( >>>> >> (GLMMorphicActionRenderer>>#render:) sourceCode >>>> >> copyReplaceAll: 'setBalloonText: (anAction title' >>>> >> with: 'setBalloonText: (anAction title asString' >>>> >> ). >>>> >> RestartDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText >>>> >> ^ ''R'''. >>>> >> RestartDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel >>>> >> ^ ''Restart'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 >>>> to: 1'. >>>> >> ResumeDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText >>>> >> ^ ''P'''. >>>> >> ResumeDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel >>>> >> ^ ''Proceed'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 >>>> to: 1'. >>>> >> StepIntoDebugAction compile: 'defaultKeyText >>>> >> ^ ''I'''. >>>> >> StepIntoDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel >>>> >> ^ ''Into'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: >>>> 1'. >>>> >> StepOverDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel >>>> >> ^ ''Over'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 to: >>>> 1'. >>>> >> StepThroughDebugAction compile: 'defaultLabel >>>> >> ^ ''Through'' asText addAttribute: TextEmphasis underlined from: 1 >>>> to: 1'. >>>> >> ] >>>> >> runOnce: true. >>>> >> } >>>> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let’s turn this energy into something positive. Please propose a >>>> >>>> concrete set of default keybindings that you think would work >>>> better. In >>>> >>>> this process, please take into account all keybindings that are >>>> already >>>> >>>> defined in the code editor (it might not be so easy as it appears). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> As I've said: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> 1. can we unify the shift vs ctrl+shift nonsense? (I'm using linux >>>> btw) >>>> >>> 2. can we use the default shortcuts pattern where one of the >>>> letters is >>>> >>> underlined? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> as for the shortcuts themselves, problem is proceed, restart & into >>>> >>> >>>> >>> proceed: ctrl+shift+p is not taken, so I don't see why it has >>>> shortcut >>>> >>> confusing with restart >>>> >>> restart: ctrl+shift+r indents, but I'd argue that uniformity is more >>>> >>> important here... indent is just convenience >>>> >>> into: ctrl+shift+i is taken (I've never used it, but it maybe it's >>>> >>> important), but we can still use ctrl+shift+n and underline n >>>> (point 2) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> If points 1 & 2 are implemented, then the letter is not as >>>> important, >>>> >>> although first letter is always preferable. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Peter >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Peter Uhnák <i.uh...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > I'm getting fed-up with GTDebugger shortcuts since they are >>>> completely >>>> >>>> > random. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Can we have them more meaningful and/or somehow visible? >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > For now I ended up overriding the labels so I can at least see >>>> them... >>>> >>>> > but doing this is also stupid, because I still have to look at >>>> them since I >>>> >>>> > cannot remember random shortcuts. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > <debugger.png> >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > 1. can we unify the shift vs ctrl+shift nonsense? (I'm using >>>> linux >>>> >>>> > btw) >>>> >>>> > 2. can we use the default shortcuts pattern where one of the >>>> letters >>>> >>>> > is underlined? >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> > Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Value is always contextual." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
