> Am 27.01.2017 um 02:45 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com>: > > > > On 27 January 2017 at 02:28, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com > <mailto:b...@openinworld.com>> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com > <mailto:siguc...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > On 27 January 2017 at 01:30, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com > > <mailto:b...@openinworld.com>> wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 6:02 AM, stepharong <stephar...@free.fr > >> <mailto:stephar...@free.fr>> wrote: > >> > On Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:38:49 +0100, Torsten Bergmann <asta...@gmx.de > >> > <mailto:asta...@gmx.de>> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> stepharong wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> can we rename this selector? > >> >>> asMethodConst should be at least be renamed to asConstantMethod > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> When you use "as {something}" then "something" depicts the result of > >> >> the > >> >> conversion message sent to an object. > >> >> > >> >> Like in #asNumber or #asString which shows to what the receiver will be > >> >> converted. > >> > > >> > > >> > Yes I thought that it was doing that. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My understanding is that in the case discussed the receiver object is > >> >> NOT converted to a constant unchangeable method, so #asConstantMethod > >> >> would > >> >> not fit as a selector. > >> >> > >> >> Instead it is sent to an object that afterwards is a constant within a > >> >> method > >> >> (so it will not be evaluated later at runtime again) so IMHO > >> >> #asMethodConstant > >> >> instead of #asMethodConst would be better. > >> > > >> > > >> > I do not understand any of them. > >> > >> method constant = constant of a method > > > >> constant method = method that does not change > >> > > are you sure? > > pretty sure. 'method' is the subject. 'constant' is the adjective that > modifies the subject. > Its a bit hard to explain that intrinsic feeling of what is right, > but maybe.... If the adjective follows the subject its usually > separated by little joining words. > http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/adjective_definition.htm > <http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/adjective_definition.htm> > > > maybe it is > > constant method = method that returns constant? > > For me this does not compute. > But I understand rules differ in other languages and its hard to avoid > subtle influences from your primary language. > > heh.. you see my pain! right now i have to deal with C++ > and seeing all these > const Type & foo const.. > and cannot parse it.. > :) > > And still, it could just be my personal bias. > So if you & Stef find it ambiguous, it may be for others and we should > aim to avoid that. > > Well, we have more general term for objects that do not change over their > lifetime - immutable. And it is moare precise, > if we're talking in smalltalk context. > So, why borrowing rather alien term into our ecosystem, because i barely > heard that anyone > were using it, and saying something like 'constant object' or something like > this, when talking smalltalk context. > We use the term immutable for an object that _can not_ be changed and not for objects that _do not_ change.
Norbert > Because when you open this 'can' of constant method, what does it means being > a constant? > Is is that method's properties won't change, or all object(s) it is pointing > to never change as well? > > cheers -ben > > > > > apparently, that's why 'constant' term doesn't fits there, because there's > > so many confusion about it. what are the constant in dynamic system, after > > all? > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.
