On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephan,
>
>> On 10 Feb 2017, at 10:27, Stephan Eggermont <step...@stack.nl> wrote:
>>
>> The past year we have started using Slack to communicate in real-time about 
>> Pharo. It has nice (mobile) clients and makes it easy to share pictures and 
>> snippets. As a result a large part of the communication about design and how 
>> to do things has moved from the mailing lists to Slack. As we're using the 
>> free version, and cannot afford to use the commercial version, we have no 
>> long-time storage of the design discussions. This contrasts with our mailing 
>> lists, that have a long-term archive. There was some discussion about this, 
>> and I'm not aware of that resulting in an accessible, easy to access 
>> archive. Also, we have not succeeded in summarizing design discussions from 
>> slack to the mailing lists. The resulting gap in design information forms an 
>> enormous long-term risk for our community. Without the design discussions it 
>> is much more difficult to later understand why decisions were taken. We 
>> cannot afford to let this short-term ease-of-use destroy Pharo's community 
>> history, and thereby Pharo. Let us fix this.

Yes I agree with your concerns.

> I share many of what you say… but in the other point of view, Slack as really 
> worked and there is a lot more happening now in Slack + mailing list than 
> what was before just in mailing list.
> But most of that is lost because of Slack policies (also Slack pricing model 
> is impossible for a community as ours), and we need to find a solution for 
> that.

Yes this is too expensive for the Pharo consortium ?

> Last days we were experimenting with @kilon again on use discord as a 
> substitute and I find that for now it works really well and with a bit of 
> work we can have all what you want: discord incorporated a search function 
> (and they do not have the 10k limit) and we could do a bot that logs 
> everything that happens there and stores that into gists (or whatever, but 
> gists seems like a good idea).
>
> With this we would have enhanced the availability of those discussions (it 
> remains the fact that immediate communication is worst organised than mails, 
> but well… we need to try)

and move all the community on discord ? Or use an open-source slack
like : https://about.mattermost.com/
and host our own chat server.

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