On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stephan, > >> On 10 Feb 2017, at 10:27, Stephan Eggermont <step...@stack.nl> wrote: >> >> The past year we have started using Slack to communicate in real-time about >> Pharo. It has nice (mobile) clients and makes it easy to share pictures and >> snippets. As a result a large part of the communication about design and how >> to do things has moved from the mailing lists to Slack. As we're using the >> free version, and cannot afford to use the commercial version, we have no >> long-time storage of the design discussions. This contrasts with our mailing >> lists, that have a long-term archive. There was some discussion about this, >> and I'm not aware of that resulting in an accessible, easy to access >> archive. Also, we have not succeeded in summarizing design discussions from >> slack to the mailing lists. The resulting gap in design information forms an >> enormous long-term risk for our community. Without the design discussions it >> is much more difficult to later understand why decisions were taken. We >> cannot afford to let this short-term ease-of-use destroy Pharo's community >> history, and thereby Pharo. Let us fix this.
Yes I agree with your concerns. > I share many of what you say… but in the other point of view, Slack as really > worked and there is a lot more happening now in Slack + mailing list than > what was before just in mailing list. > But most of that is lost because of Slack policies (also Slack pricing model > is impossible for a community as ours), and we need to find a solution for > that. Yes this is too expensive for the Pharo consortium ? > Last days we were experimenting with @kilon again on use discord as a > substitute and I find that for now it works really well and with a bit of > work we can have all what you want: discord incorporated a search function > (and they do not have the 10k limit) and we could do a bot that logs > everything that happens there and stores that into gists (or whatever, but > gists seems like a good idea). > > With this we would have enhanced the availability of those discussions (it > remains the fact that immediate communication is worst organised than mails, > but well… we need to try) and move all the community on discord ? Or use an open-source slack like : https://about.mattermost.com/ and host our own chat server. -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/
