Stef, that is a second problem. The main problem to me is solving the crypto stuff once and for all. And then I would like to know why people like Ron say things like this.
But yes, shouldn't go without explanation/reaction! Norbert > Am 03.06.2020 um 00:13 schrieb Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr>: > > What I do not like is that people say " group but they keep kicking me out of > their mailing list ” when this is absolutely not true! > > We can discuss and can argue even violently but we do not lie. > > S. > > > >> On 31 May 2020, at 19:38, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.on...@pckswarms.ch >> <mailto:bruce.on...@pckswarms.ch>> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> So addressing only the crypto software issue and with the caveat that I am >> also not a lawyer but I have had to deal with certain aspects of this in the >> past.... >> >> Crypto software is one of those bizarre dual use items in terms of arms >> imports and exports. While we as geeks just think of this is software or >> mathematics and might be confused as to why governments care, governments do >> care deeply about this. And their way of expressing how much they care >> about this issue is by passing laws and prosecuting folks. >> >> One of the easiest ways to get in trouble is for one to make the software >> available to residents and/or citizens of certain countries as well as >> available to people on a long list kept by different governments. We can >> have a long debate about the morality of this concept but those who make the >> laws have decided that is the law. And often these laws are crafted such >> that the executive can change important details on short notice and that >> puts the risk of prosecution at the whims of different world leaders. >> >> The license that the software is released under is not important. >> >> What Ron is stating is that squeak source supplied some additional >> protections to prevent accidentally making the software available to folks >> who the US feels should not have access. >> >> If you have moved the software to another hosting provider without the >> permission or knowledge of the author, and therefore the owner of the >> software, you have put that person at additional risk. In addition you and >> the hosting provider are taking on additional risk. >> >> If it was moved to GitHub I strongly recommend reviewing their policies on >> trade controls and what risks you assume. >> >> https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-and-trade-controls >> <https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-and-trade-controls> >> >> Finally I would strongly recommend talking to a competent legal advisor who >> is deeply familiar with the details of these laws. They are complex and >> highly variable between different parts of the world. >> >> I know this seems like a lot of trouble and wasted time but you can spend a >> giant amount of time and money defending oneself from arms trafficking >> charges. >> >> cheers >> >> bruce >> >> 30 May 2020 14:43 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr >> <mailto:stephane.duca...@inria.fr>> wrote: >> Hi all >> >> This is the week-end and we worked super well yesterday during the sprint. >> Lot of good enhancements - Thanks a lot to all the participants. >> I not really happy to be forced to do it on a sunny saturday but I’m doing >> it to clarify points. >> >> Esteban sent me this text that was posted on Squeak-Dev (I personally do not >> read squeak related forums because >> I have not the time and my focus is Pharo, its consortium, my team, my >> research and my family). >> >> We have to react because >> - We do not really at ***all** understand this email >> - We did not kicked anybody from our mailing-list from ages - so ron is >> lying. In the past we even had discussion with ron - so we do not >> really understand. May be we got problem to log on our mailing-lists. >> We have no idea because we are working and not looking at such things. >> - When we migrated smalltalkhub to readonly we payed attention to make sure >> that private projects stay private. >> We did not migrated smalltalkhub for fun. We MUST do it or it will be done >> by our infrastructure! >> - Now the cryptography packages are MIT and they are public anyway. So again >> we do not understand anything. >> >> We do not get why Ron contacted us because we announced the migration >> publicly way in advance and we will keep >> the Smalltalkhub frozen repo for at least next 5 years. >> >> I feel really sorry to hear such kind of email because we do not want to >> fight with anybody. >> Our goal is to make sure that people can work with Pharo and expand their >> business and knowledge. >> We are working hard to make sure that people can invent their future with >> Pharo and people that know us personally >> know that we are not lying. >> >> S >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I've tried to work with the Pharo group but they keep kicking me out of >>> their mailing list. I've already mentioned this a number of times to the >>> Pharo group but nobody seems to care. >>> >>> BOLD BOLD BOLD PLEASE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY BOLD BOLD BOLD >>> >>> I am not a lawyer but we used very good lawyers to make the squeaksource >>> repository a safe place to do cryptography work. If you are working on >>> cryptography DO NOT POST your code anywhere except squeaksource. >>> Especially if you are in the USA. The ONLY repository that is approved to >>> host our cryptography code in the USA and therefore not subject to criminal >>> violations is squeaksource. It is a CRIME in the USA to move code and make >>> it available on the internet for everyone to download! It must be hosted >>> on squeaksoruce.com <http://squeaksoruce.com/> or another location that is >>> also properly registered. >>> >>> IF YOU COPIED CRYPTOGRAPHY CODE TO ANOTHER REPOSITORY THAT IS NOT >>> REGISTERED I would recommend you delete it immediately. >>> >>> END BOLD! >>> >>> Please feel free to post this to the Pharo mailing list because they >>> apparently do not want to hear from me! >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Ron Teitelbaum >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / >> http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / > http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France >
