+ 2^10000000000000 Stef
On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > Torsten, I understand your comment wasn't against Pharo in general but still > I think arguments like this do not help in finding the best solution, which > is what we should strive for. > > The rationale for moving the help menu was basically what I said before > - it was a single lonely item inside a submenu (we didn't know that Pharo > adds more submenus so this point only holds for PharoCore) > - the help browser does not provide (much) content yet and hence is of no big > help at the moment > > My current point of view is that since we don't have a helpful help system > (yet) it is not really important that the help menu is at the top level. But > since a couple of people strongly argue for putting the help back into the > main menu I'm also ok with reverting the change. > > On another note, I don't agree with you that we should not move menus around. > If I hadn't carefully reorganized the menus of Pharo two years ago, our menus > would still be the same mess as in a previous Squeak version. Of course > stability is good, but it should not hinder us to clean up and optimize. > Moving a menu item to a better place may be annoying at first but is quickly > amortized. > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 16:43 , Torsten Bergmann wrote: > >> Hi Stef, >> >>> do you think that all the good energy that we put on pharo can be >>> summarized >that way? >> >> No, why do you think so? Please dont get off-topic. We talk >> about a menu here - nobody lamented about Pharo in general. >> Please reread what I wrote: >> >> "Moving menues around is throwing eggs onto you end users" >> >> I think it was clear from my mail that moving KNOWN menues >> around from time to time is IMHO a bad idea. Maybe you disagree, >> but I'm still keep this opinion. >> >> So I dislike the idea of leaving it for now and MOVE the Help >> menu LATER (as Adrian suggested) since this is what confuses people, >> especially since user help is something really important. >> >> We can discuss it now, keep it or fix it. So we can avoid that >> moving menues from time to time will lead to irritation. >> >>> We waited a bit until we got more convinced that we should move it >> >> Second time you write "we". For me it is still not clear who >> discussed it (you and Adrian?) and where and which arguments lead >> to the decision. Please tell us so we can also understand your point of view. >> >> Thx >> T. >> >> >> -- >> GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. >> Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
