> > Again. Who cares PharoCore? we are talking about PharoDev. I do because if I click 20 times per hour on the wrong item in the menu then it means that it is not well placed.
> > - the help browser does not provide (much) content yet and hence is of no big > help at the moment > > > And maybe having a more accesisble menu will help to that. > There is also the ProfBrower, Re open the welcome workspace, what it is now > in system about, and why not put back the list of shortcuts? because the list was plain wrong! > My current point of view is that since we don't have a helpful help system > (yet) it is not really important that the help menu is at the top level. But > since a couple of people strongly argue for putting the help back into the > main menu I'm also ok with reverting the change. > > On another note, I don't agree with you that we should not move menus around. > If I hadn't carefully reorganized the menus of Pharo two years ago, our menus > would still be the same mess as in a previous Squeak version. Of course > stability is good, but it should not hinder us to clean up and optimize. > Moving a menu item to a better place may be annoying at first but is quickly > amortized. > > agree. > > > > Cheers, > Adrian > > On Jun 14, 2010, at 16:43 , Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > > Hi Stef, > > > >> do you think that all the good energy that we put on pharo can be > >> summarized >that way? > > > > No, why do you think so? Please dont get off-topic. We talk > > about a menu here - nobody lamented about Pharo in general. > > Please reread what I wrote: > > > > "Moving menues around is throwing eggs onto you end users" > > > > I think it was clear from my mail that moving KNOWN menues > > around from time to time is IMHO a bad idea. Maybe you disagree, > > but I'm still keep this opinion. > > > > So I dislike the idea of leaving it for now and MOVE the Help > > menu LATER (as Adrian suggested) since this is what confuses people, > > especially since user help is something really important. > > > > We can discuss it now, keep it or fix it. So we can avoid that > > moving menues from time to time will lead to irritation. > > > >> We waited a bit until we got more convinced that we should move it > > > > Second time you write "we". For me it is still not clear who > > discussed it (you and Adrian?) and where and which arguments lead > > to the decision. Please tell us so we can also understand your point of > > view. > > > > Thx > > T. > > > > > > -- > > GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. > > Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
