On 14 February 2012 19:36, Guido Stepken <gstep...@googlemail.com> wrote: > 2012/2/14 Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Now seriously, do you really think that people here are not considered >> all of things you listed, >> and not trying to improve things in those directions? > > > Don't see benchmarks anywhere on Pharo Homepage, even the 1.3 Image was not > up to date for long time. Nobody really cared. > > Stef as project leader missed to set up "daily todo list", list of dutys for > the developers, payed or unpayed, doesn't play any role! > > Choosing the *right* development process decides over the quality an speed > of a product, free or unfree. > >> >> Also, do you have any idea how many man-hours it may require to >> implement all items in your list? > > > Yes, 4-5 manyears? So, why reinventing the wheel, like with COGVM? LLVM ist > much better supported by big, big, commercial companies. > >> >> And even if you can estimate it, do you have any idea where to find >> such massive amount of human resource for such activities? > > > I wish, you would lean the profession of fundraising for Pharo. Set up an > auction homepage, file out code to be refactored, or to be programmed, with > call for bids, name the price, collect money. And you will see, there are > thousands of Smalltalkers outside being a still reserve ... solving Pharo > problems for a few bucks, mostly located in Asia, Russia, India. > > In India a Smalltalk developer is about 600$/Month. Fully qualified. > >> >> And most of >> all, are those people will work for free, based on their enthusiasm, >> or well paid? > > > See above, wrong development process. > >> >> >> Because if you pay to people, then you having full right to demand >> things to be done right and >> in right term. But if you don't, then just please shut up and stop >> bashing people who doing everything >> for free, so you can use it paying NOTHING. > > > I am not bashing. You all don't understand how to set up successful > projects. >
Reading your comments, i now have only single question left: if you know things so well, why you just don't organize own project, set things up as you know right, make auctions/hire indians/martians/whatever is best for you to meet the objectives you have in mind? Why relying on stupid people who don't want to listen and seemingly don't understand what/how things should run, when you can do it by yourself? Like the idea? Now get lost and start making it real. >> >> >> So, next time you will say that you lost a bunch of money because of >> Pharo, i'd like to also see an attached figures the amount of money >> you invested into Pharo project. >> > > Where is the list of sponsors for your Pharo projekt on the homepage? > Private, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum? The topten list of committers? > > Have fun, Guido Stepken -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
