On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bsch...@anest.ufl.edu>wrote:
> I know it's not a popular opinion, but overall, they don't work. It is > so bad that any effort on my part to fix one here or there would simply be > sticking a finger in a collapsing Hoover dam. "Yelling in general" is a > mis-characterization of my apparently being the only person willing to > characterize the emperor's new clothes. > > There are wide-spread problems. Either the configs need to be fixed, or > we need a common location for the latest incantation that is thought to > work with a given version of Pharo. > But then you have the same problem if people commit packages that do not work. :S Providing working versions and tagging them, right now is a people problem, not a tool problem. And the same happens with python, java, javascript, .net, ruby, the OS software... > > I don't know how else to put it. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Guillermo > Polito [guillermopol...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2012 1:37 PM > > *To:* Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration > browser more visible? > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bsch...@anest.ufl.edu > > wrote: > >> It's nice that there are examples that work, but the vast majority of >> configs are not so well organized. >> > > I'm not the mantainer of the majority of configs so I do not know. What I > explained before is how they are supposed to work and be managed. If the > person who mantains the config does not ensure you that, It's not the > problem of the configuration :). > > Now, if there are configs not working as expected, it would be good to: > - know them > - tell the mantainers > - try to fix one? > - not yelling in general because that does not work :S. > > From my side, this week I fixed the configurations of: > - Glamour > - OpenDBXDriver > - Glorp + GlorpDBX > - ScriptManager > > so they can load in latest 1.4. But I can't be everywhere yet :P. > > Also, 1.4 is has just been released, so I expect most users are moving > their stuff soon. > > Cheers, > Guille > > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >> pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Guillermo >> Polito [guillermopol...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2012 12:26 PM >> >> *To:* Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >> browser more visible? >> >> I meant: >> >> Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. >> Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or >> seaside. >> Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff >> to build a Development image. >> >> :P >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopol...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Wat? Probably there was a misunderstood... >>> >>> 1) if you are an user of the project, stable should be enough and fine. >>> 2) if your project is coupled to the project, probably you are coupled >>> to an specific version. Thus, in your configuration you better put the >>> specific number :). >>> 3) if your project is not coupled to the project, just inteded to load >>> it, using stable should be enough and fine. >>> >>> Example of 1) is you loading OmniBrowser or Nautilus. >>> Example of 2) is your project using a specific version of XmlSupport or >>> seaside. >>> Example of 3) is the ImageBuilder of Mariano, which loads a lot of stuff >>> to build a Development image. >>> >>> Guille >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bsch...@anest.ufl.edu >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Put another way, if it's that simple, why all the contrary instructions >>>> over time? >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >>>> pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Camillo >>>> Bruni [camillobr...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:40 PM >>>> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >>>> browser more visible? >>>> >>>> On 2012-04-27, at 01:17, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>> >>>> > Can they really download stuff? How much? Until the configurations >>>> are truly self-describing and "know" what to use for which version of >>>> Pharo[*], the Config Browser is really (sorry guys) a very clear >>>> illustration of what we have yet to do in the way of packaging. >>>> > >>>> > Bill >>>> > >>>> > [*] there needs to be one incantation that works to load everything, >>>> something like #loadStable. Then a config browser can work as advertised, >>>> and I fear, not until. Prove me wrong :) >>>> >>>> seems like you missed something (Metacello Configurations)? it's done >>>> like this in st-code: >>>> >>>> ConfigurationOfXYZ project load: #stable >>>> >>>> >>>> > ________________________________________ >>>> > From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >>>> pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Stéphane >>>> Ducasse [stephane.duca...@inria.fr] >>>> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:17 PM >>>> > To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] What about making the configuration >>>> browser more visible? >>>> > >>>> > Ok for me. >>>> > Package Maps Loader >>>> > >>>> > Stef >>>> > >>>> >> What about naming it "Package Loader" or "Package center" or >>>> something like that? >>>> >> And putting it in the main menu instead of inside of Tools? >>>> >> >>>> >> I want people who open pharo for the first time to say "Hey, here I >>>> can download stuff!!!" >>>> >> >>>> >> Guille >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
