robert Are you sure that you really use the latest version? Because I do not see why opening a window would be platform specific and I could not reproduce this problem. So do you have a real way to reproduce the problem? can you send us the debuglog? And BTW Pharo is our and your system and we work all to make it better so no need to be pushy it does not help.
Stef On 26 Feb 2014, at 12:38, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: > regardless ... > > I did a sanity check on the contents of yesterday's latest.zip and hit a > walkback > > I then did a sanity check on the latest 3.0 installer and hit a different > walkback. > > At least on Win XP 3.1 that does not feel like Beta but like alpha, in my > experience. Unstable. > > Sanity check for a Smalltalk image > > open a browser > open a workspace > flip about in the browser [across packages, classes, instance view, class > view, implementors and callers > DoIt from workspace [never got here either time ; I would do smthg like a > ProfStef or call up a browser ; no set routine as that way lies madness ] > > AND while doing the above, flip between windows, max /min [ I have been doing > this for years ... it takes only a couple of minutes - it is not a step-wise > protocol .... that would result in missing things that you wouldn't expect - > and it is in NO way exhaustive ... it is just a sanity check ( Do you know > what year it is? Who is the President of USA ? What is today's date ? How > did you get here ? Do you know why you were [arrested/admitted/removed from > the aircraft/booted outa the bar ... ) ] > > Hunch ONLY : > > Likely culprit ... each time I also opened for future use (and to have some > frames open > Metacello browser > the 2 help items off the main popup menu (one general; one Tutorials - a > new user is likely to do so ) > > I suspect one of the latter, based on Last Class Changed for that image ... > but that will be my hunch for now ... > > ciao > > r > > > > > On 26 February 2014 07:18, Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 26 Feb 2014, at 11:30, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community." >> >> This still rankles ... I have been a Smalltalker since long before Squeak >> and have been using Pharo since Seaside first ran on it - if not earlier >> than that ... >> >> I also received from another on the mail list >> >> "and in fact I cannot reproduce it." >> >> "And in fact" is such a wicked rhetorical move ... in a game I have lost all >> interest in playing now that I am retired. > > it is not. > it was just saying that I tried your problem and I could not reproduce it. It > was not to been rethorical or anything, just pointing a fact. > I’m interested (and is also my job) on having the best and stable version of > Pharo possible. > I’m so interested that I was at 10min from leaving a my house to take an 10h > fly and I sit to try to reproduce your problem. > So, please… do not misinterpret the contents of the mail. It was an attempt > to have an understanding of the problem, in an effort to help. > An effort, btw, that sometimes is not easy, because we do not have all the > elements to make the diagnostic… > >> >> It may take me a lot of effort to track these 2 bugs down as far as "Follow >> these steps to reproduce" .. but then I am not a CONSORTIUM member ( I used >> to pay big bucks for Smalltalk, back in the day ) so may be I am too far >> outside the "whole community".... btw. > > The community is here. In this list. Around the list. > Consortium is for companies willing to contribute with some money support > (and so is the association for individuals), because things cost effort and > effort implies time and time implies money. > We always try to solve the problems of everybody (we, the community, > including yourself), because that’s the best for all… so do not put yourself > outside in a way we never say/act/even think about. > We want to help you. > >> >> I will spare you my plot's view of the term "stable" and the notion of >> stability ... and will be sure I rename key files as I go along ... [ why >> are we still having to rename files such as these when able to run multiple >> images in the same dir ? ] > > Your pov about stability can be ok. What is not ok is such amount of > negativity over a simple fact: we has not been able to reproduce your problem > (but you avoid the other obvious fact: we tried to reproduce it. So we did > not ignored you). > > Again, I try to help, as everybody in the community… but such a negative > over-reaction is probably just compared to my own overeacted answer :) > > Esteban > > >> >> ciao >> >> >> >> On 26 February 2014 04:36, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> On 26 Feb 2014, at 01:57, Robert Shiplett <grshipl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > I am running from that latest.zip tonight and PackageTreeNautilusUI >> > >>update is getting a walkback messageNoUnderstood for >> > receiver of >>protocolsFor: is nil >> > >> > I simply flipped to class view in Announcements and then flipped that >> > toggle back. >> > >> > Does this need to be reported, or is Nautilus still known to be unstable ? >> >> I can't reproduce this either, please be more specific. >> >> BTW, Nautilus is stable and used daily by the whole community. Of course, it >> is a complex piece of code with lots of UI and system interactions, so >> issues are always possible. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> > >
