> On 19 May 2015, at 16:51, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaring...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2015-05-19 11:41 GMT-03:00 Avdi Grimm <a...@avdi.org>: >> It took thousands of programmers decades of work in many different languages >> to create this variety. I'd hate to see the smaller Pharo community pour >> tons of effort into re-inventing these solutions. >> >> Which is why I'm suggesting that it may be more helpful to re-frame the >> problem. General purpose window management is a problem that has been solved >> many times over. Do you really want to do it yet again? I suspect that with >> some careful examination of Pharo coding workflows, you could find a way to >> obviate the need for zillions of windows, and solve a simpler problem >> instead. > > +1
+1 Esteban ps: (and two Esteban’s counts exponentially :P) pps: but there are also other problems to take into account, and that’s also community culture. I know many people finds the amount of windows opened somekind stressing when they arrive to our little world… but it actually fits a purpose and change it to other solutions just because “everybody else does it” can probably do not work. A suitable solution for LISP does not need to be a suitable solution to Pharo, just out of the box. Which of course does not means I would not want to explore more efficient workflows. ppps: And of course, there is the effort that starting in other direction goes… even copying an existing IDE workflow would be a lot of work for us, so sometimes is better just to incrementally enhance, even if that means we will keep some metaphors during more time than desired. pppps: as I always say in this list, human-computer interaction is not an easy field and is very studied, so is not easily solvable with our always subjective opinion. In that sense, I completely share the feeling that we need to keep studying and experimenting with other communities experiences until we find something that we can reengineer into something we need/want. ppppps: I ran out of “ps”, but I couldn’t resist to put five “p" in a line :) > > Esteban A. Maringolo >
