On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 8:41 PM, p...@highoctane.be <p...@highoctane.be> wrote: > Java cannot do become:, so, that's not going to be a "real" smalltalk. > > I do work w/ Java & Scala on a project. > > First, JAR hell -> productivity killer > > Second, lots of infrastructure needed: IDE, Maven, Artifactory, ... -> > another productivity killer > > Long story short: prototype the thing in Pharo and if good enough, run it > there. I've done that for one project of late. Net resut: it takes 5x the > engineers > and 3x the time to do the same in X than with Pharo.
A nice insight to a very interesting marketing technique ;) Many know the quote "Plan to throw one away." So you don't need to convince them upfront to adopt a technology unknown to them - but then they see it working and balance that against dollars. I guess if later Pharo encounters some insurmountable barrier, they can still do the originally planned re-inplementation in Java they originally planned - without too much loss of face - but they get to do it from a well worn prototype. cheers -ben > > If you want to do Java/Scala, by all means, go there. But why the hell is > this going to be so important? > > Read > https://www.quora.com/Of-the-emerging-systems-languages-Rust-D-Go-and-Nim-which-is-the-strongest-language-and-why > > for lots of pro/cons arguments on other languages (which do not give a shit > about Java mean you). > > > Phil > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 11:41 AM, horrido <horrido.hobb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> At Redmonk >> <http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2015/07/01/language-rankings-6-15/> >> , Scala is a top 20 language (position #14). It's a widely used language, >> too, though not in the same league as Java nor Python. Even Clojure and >> Groovy are in the top 20. >> >> Scala is much, much more popular and widely used than Smalltalk. If >> Smalltalk could rise to Scala's level, it would be a huge win. >> >> The reason Amber and Redline and others have never achieved popularity is >> primarily due to the lack of proper marketing. There are a gazillion >> programming languages out there vying for developer attention. Smalltalk >> is >> completely lost in the noise. It's a great platform, but if it doesn't >> have >> developer /mindshare/, people won't try it. How do you think they'll find >> their way to Smalltalk/Pharo? By divination? >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/PharoJVM-tp4866633p4866722.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >
