On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 10:29:47AM -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> I don't think we should stop people from tweaking ZE1. ZE2 is probably
> more than a year away from realistically being available to a lot of
> people. It takes a while for people to upgrade, and many will skip the .0
> release. If a few tweaks to ZE1 can eliminate peoples' motivation to move
> to ZE2, then why are you writing ZE2? I obviously don't think that is the
> case as ZE2 has a number of features people have been asking for.
i (of course) agree with derick and rasmus. i'm all for
applying the patch as is. if zeev and andi don't want to
comment on it for their own reasons i cannot help them. if
the patch has a problem it'll be found very soon and it'll
be fixed.
if there is any *technical* reason why this patch is "not as
good" as the debug_backtrace that is in ZE2 - let me know.
otherwise i'll commit on monday.
re,
tc
>
> -Rasmus
>
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
> > I haven't, because of the two reasons I mentioned. There's nothing about
> > the specifics of the patch that can make me change my personal mind about it...
> > I understand you disagree with me about the momentum issue, so let's agree
> > to disagree.
> >
> > Zeev
> >
> > At 20:12 18/08/2002, Thies C. Arntzen wrote:
> >
> > > there is one tiny change that might destabelize the ZE1 - i
> > > asked if you could take a look and see if you agree with
> > > me that this change is actually *not* harmful.
> > >
> > > i don't really see your point that having debug_backtrace
> > > only available in ZE2 will bring more momentum to the ZE2
> > > development. and not wanting a new (and btw very useful
> > > feature) in ZE1 for that very reason is not good IMHO.
> > >
> > > zeev, andi - have you had a *look* at the patch and do you see
> > > any good reason not to have it in 4.3? i do not buy you "lets
> > > only bring ZE2 forward" argument at all.
> > >
> > > i'd love to hear more opinions on this.
> > > tc
> > >
> > >On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 06:40:35PM +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> > > > I also think we should make sure enough people have motivation to move to
> > > > ZE2. If not it'll be hard to push it out and we all know that it's a very
> > > > important step for PHP. As it is, there is still not enough momentum
> > > behind
> > > > it.
> > > > Andi
> > > >
> > > > At 05:38 PM 8/18/2002 +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > > > >I said before - I prefer not having any changes in ZE1, for both
> > > stability
> > > > >reasons and also as a motivation to get ZE2 out the door more quickly.
> > > > >
> > > > >Zeev
> > > > >
> > > > >At 17:21 18/08/2002, Thies C. Arntzen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> if noone objects i'm going to commit this to -HEAD (and we
> > > > >> can start discussing it then;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> re,
> > > > >> tc
<snip>
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