Adam, thanks for writing this, it describe exactly how I feel about this situation.
regards, Michiel On 24-06-16 18:32, Adam Culp wrote: > OK, this is going too far. This is wrong. But I will weigh in because > silence creates the perception of approval, and I do not approve. > > I would add the following to the discussion: > > 1. Paul is passionate about the FIG. On a technical level he has > added a great deal, and continues to do so. > 2. Paul is very active, and responds quickly and concisely. He is not > afraid to dive in when emotions are high, or his view is > controversial. This can inflame others that are passionate about a > given topic. Comments made by Paul can "feel" confrontational when > things are passionate. But upon reading many of Paul's comments, > at a later time when emotions have subsided, they are not > confrontational as originally perceived. > 3. Paul has been known to include politics and other topics in > comments, generally instigated by others. > 4. There are bound to be personality conflicts in any group. Paul and > some others in, and out of, the FIG have personality conflicts due > to political concerns and otherwise. This is not cause for expulsion. > 5. Paul has political views that some disagree with, and freely > shares them outside of the group. This is not cause for expulsion. > 6. We should be focused on what happens inside this group, and not be > overly influenced by buzz from the general public. This is our > decision. > 7. The fact that others have chosen to leave the FIG when small > conflicts arose is more of a reflection on them, not Paul. > > We are adults discussing passionate things, and there will be > conflict. Expulsion should not be the answer, otherwise the FIG will > become a group of muppets and like-minded people agreeing on > everything which would carry no value. > > When the vote starts I urge folks to not simply join the pitchfork > mob, but weigh the accusations and evidence from a non-emotional point > of view. > > Thank you for reading. > > I will self-throttle now and not post on this thread unless addressed > personally. > > -- Adam Culp > > > On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 3:53:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Cullum wrote: > > Hi all, > > > Over the past 8 weeks, we [the secretaries] have had a number of > voting members, former project representatives and well known > community members alike approach us regarding a situation they > believe is being detrimental to the continued success of the FIG > and the harmony in the group. It is, essentially, the impact of > Paul M Jones on the harmony of the mailing list and the impact his > contribution is having on making this group welcoming or pleasant > to be involved with. > > > To avoid putting words in mouths but still convey the common > grievances, we’ll quote from those who have complained: > > * > > “This individual is toxic to the group and is therefore > directly affecting the ability of the group to perform its aims” > > * > > “I believe this individual is the sole biggest cause of loss > of respect and members for the FIG” > > * > > “I stepped down as a voting representative due to this member” > > * > > “The presence of this individual makes me not want to > contribute or get involved with to the PHP FIG” > > * > > “My main problem with him is that every time I opened a > threads lately to read up, he's getting into some tantrum with > other over small meaningless things. Sometimes he might even > be right but honestly I don't even care whether he is right or > wrong. They is just plainly disrupting the FIG at this stage. > He used to be annoying, but I was fine with that, this is just > disruptive though.” > > > The following complainants said they are happy to be named (Nobody > asked not to be named, but some we never asked if they were happy > to be named): > > * > > Ross Tuck - Community figure > > * > > Larry Garfield - Drupal project representative > > * > > Graham Daniels - PHP League project representative > > * > > Fabien Potencier - Symfony project representative > > * > > Mike van Riel - PHPDoc project representative > > * > > Jordi Boggiano - Composer project representative > > * > > Anthony Ferrara - Community figure > > * > > Phil Sturgeon - Former project representative and community figure > > * > > Christopher Pitt - Former project representative and community > figure > > * > > Rafael Dohms - Community figure > > * > > Marc Alexander - phpBB project representative > > * > > Cees-Jan Kiewiet - ReactPHP project representative > > > In total the number of complaints about this individual totals > about 20 however there have also been other concerns aired about > this individual publicly and a number of individuals who contacted > us said they in turn had heard complaints about Paul from others; > as a result of this, and being explicitly asked what we can do/to > do something about this situation, including requests of this > specific course of action we are starting this discussion on PMJ’s > membership. It is not the role of the secretaries to handle this > kind of thing or pass judgement on member projects so we are > posting this topic to invite discussion from both sides of the > table out in the open. > > > We believe having this discussion going on for too long will not > be conducive to the FIG so a vote [to request a new representative > from Aura, which will result in Aura’s expulsion unless a new > representative is provided] will then commence unless a conclusion > has been reached agreeable by all sides before that point. That > vote should then put an end to the current situation. > > > To clarify further, this topic does not indicate the opinion of > secretaries that this project representative should be expelled, > but that we have been asked by a significant number of voting > members and community members to do something about it so we are > moving those complaints into public for discussion by voting > members as we can do nothing but move the discussion and > complaints to the mailing list for the attention of voting members. > > > I know this is a difficult discussion to avoid making personal, > but please try and keep it civil and respect self-throttling. > People have requested we ensure we always have two week discussion > periods before voting on matters which means that we will not lock > this topic unless we have no other option open to us but will be > issuing temporary mailing list bans on anyone not respecting rules > about civility or self throttling; more than 3 responses in a 24 > hour period will result in a 24 hour temporary ban, as will > repeatedly making posts that cross boundaries into flaming. If > rules are broken multiple times, we will increase the time period > of bans. > > > Many thanks, > > The Secretaries > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com > <mailto:php-fig@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/f8af18ce-59a1-4b33-9adc-6075cdd5dd57%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/f8af18ce-59a1-4b33-9adc-6075cdd5dd57%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. 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