At 16:22 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>Oh, man, do you really do that? That is worse than not mention it at
>all. You may be joking but not everybody may understand it that way.
>Doing that you ruining the credibility of those efforts that take PHP
>far out what originally it was meant for. If you are going to just make
>it a joke, you'd better not mention it at all. I think that is extremely
>unfair for people like Andrei and other that worked so much on it! :-(

Uhm, I'm not joking.  Richard pointed out to me in a personal letter that 
anecdote may not be the right word here (thanks, Richard :).  I mention 
them (PHP-GTK, PEAR, etc) at the end of my presentations, as a list of 
pointers people should look into if they have interest in that particular 
subject.

Manuel, you should *REALLY* relax about this 'Zeev vs. PHP-GTK'.  This is 
absolutely the last time I'm going to say it - I have nothing against 
PHP-GTK, and Andrei and I work very well together.

>So, what? Even if it is like you say, because you have this perception
>that it is not that way in Europe and far east, you are not going to do
>anything to help people living in the Americas to make a better case for
>PHP in the corporate world?

No, that's not what I'm saying.  I'm not going to say what I was saying 
again, though.  Look in my old posts if you're interested...

Zeev


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