Acknowledging the problem is the first step in recovery. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: August 4, 2002 2:22 AM To: Acer Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding
Acer, Did you ever consider the fact that ASP, JSP and CF jobs are advertised more because their developers actually advertise? When was the last time you saw a commerical on TV for PHP? And yet, due to PHP's extensive development and interoperability, it is one of the highest installed packages on web servers? PHB's see the word 'FREE' and think 'baaaad' (obvious sheep reference) because that is what the Gates' and Ellison's have taught them to believe. Companies like MS and Oracle advertise during the Super Bowl and purchase news sites to tell you what they think you should know. Do they make a superior product because they advertise? Or just one that has a prettier ribbon on it? Blaming the PHP developers (commercial and otherwise) because you cannot get a job as a PHP developer is like blaming Schwinn because you can't get a job as a bike messenger. .m Quoting Acer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Okay fine whatever. Let's just continue sticking our heads in the > sand and > pretend php developers isn't last on the list of jobs available > compared to > asp, jsp and cf developers. > > That topic isn't important so back to normal and I'll ask a php > question. > What's the difference between = and ==? I'm too lazy to read the > manual. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maxim Maletsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: August 3, 2002 7:42 PM > To: 'Acer'; 'Rasmus Lerdorf' > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > Acer, what the f****k are you mumbling about? > > (sorry for mine to you introduction) > > 600 people at PHP Dev Group (and I am one of them too) create and > document PHP Programming Language for free, because they like it > this > way. > > You, get your boss's money, buy a Zend's encoder, make a script > that, > perhaps, has an equivalent freely available on sourseforge.net, > encode > it and stick a it price to then sell the "cat in a lot" to those > paranoids who do not trust open source projects like your own boss > does. > > The "paranoids" then make services we all here pay, and on our > spare > time - we keep developing the free code for you (always, because we > like > it this way). > > What are you trying to prove by being devil's lawyer here? > > We all know how e-business works, most of us are actually on > managing > positions if not job consultants. > > So, Acer, from now on - ask a php-general question or answer one. > Deal? > > > Sincerely, > > Maxim Maletsky > > PHP Beginner > www.phpbeginner.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Acer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 12:01 AM > > To: Rasmus Lerdorf > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > Okay so you support zend but hate encoders. Doesn't zend make > an > encoder? > > To me an encoder is used to sell your product. It doesn't mean > people > > still > > won't release their code to add to the public knowledge. > > > > If you didn't release your code rasmus then those 600 people > won't > have > > made > > php what it is now so you can't have it both ways. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: August 3, 2002 2:06 PM > > To: Acer > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > Because it is a silly thread and I shouldn't be replying at > all. > Others > > in the group either have more sense or have given up on > answering > > php-general questions. > > > > My view on encoders is that they are unnecessary and rather evil. > I > would > > never ever purchase a php-based application that did not come > with the > php > > source code. If you want to restrict your code somehow, do it > through > a > > license. People who choose to violate that license are the > same > people > > who will hack your encoded scripts anyway. And this way the > honest > > customers will have the benefit of the code to customize, learn > from, > > build on top of. Closed source stuff stifles innovation and I > personally > > refuse to work on a PHP encoder for this reason. Imagine if I > had > never > > released the source for PHP? We would not be having this > discussion > > today. > > > > I know plenty of people disagree with this view, but there you > have > it. > > > > -Rasmus > > > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Acer wrote: > > > > > I made that statement because this subject has been brought > up > several > > times > > > and nothing has been said from the php gods. I mean out of > this > whole > > > thread, your only comment is "That's probably the most > uninformed > > statement > > > I have seen posted to this list in a very long time." > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: August 3, 2002 1:04 PM > > > To: Acer > > > Cc: Dennis Moore; Andrey Hristov; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Protect PHP coding > > > > > > > > > > You'll never hear anything from the core php group since they > are > a > > tight > > > > click so it's business as usual. > > > > > > That's probably the most uninformed statement I have seen > posted to > this > > > list in a very long time. > > > > > > -Rasmus > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --------------------------------------------- This email sent using CDM Sports Webmail v2 [ http://webmail.cdmsports.com ] -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
