Hi there, I'm not aware this discussion is also happening on the list. Although I'm subscribed to the list but I only check it infrequently. Please feel free to CC me when there are Debian package related issues : -)
Myself is also a Emacs user so naturally when I packaged picolisp I also pre-installed picolisp-mode that comes with the distribution. It's a small file but provides good experience for first-time picolisp user. I thought not a small portion of picolisp users may also be Emacs users, but I could be wrong ;) From what I read so far, it seems there are two or three different picolisp major modes? 1. https://github.com/tj64/picolisp-mode 2. https://github.com/flexibeast/picolisp-mode (the melpa) 3. The one comes with the Distribution (the official) The second one is in melpa and seems providing more features? Maybe what I can do here are 1. Try to make the official one installed as elpa package thus discoverable in `list-packages` 2. If the melpa one can co-exist with the official one, I can also package it as `elpa-picolisp-mode` and recommend it from picolisp package. But one of them may have to be renamed. Thoughts? Kanru PS. you can also open a bug to the Debian package by running `reportbug picolisp`, I'll triage it periodically. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, at 12:46 AM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > Just for the list info, here is the reply I got from the Debian > packager. The good news is that thanks to his work we're going to have > even better integration on Debian :) > > JC > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: "Kan-Ru Chen" <kos...@debian.org> > > Subject: Re: picolisp on Debian (raspbian) > > Date: January 25, 2019 0:00:08 JST > > To: "Jean-Christophe Helary" <brandel...@gmail.com> > > > > Hi, > > > > a- I can see the melpa picolisp-mode fine. I'm not sure what you mean > > "invisible"? > > > > b- No, the paredit patch is not applied. > > > > c- picolisp-wiki-mode.el is installed to the > > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/picolisp dir but since we didn't fine a autoload > > and auto-mode-alist it does not get automatically loaded. > > > > I have added autoload for picolisp-wiki-mode.el and fixed a > > inferior-picolisp loading issue. It will be released to next Debian package > > update. > > > > Thanks for reporting bugs! > > > > Kanru > > > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, at 3:38 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >> Sorry to bother you again. > >> > >> There are some issues with the picolisp package, and I wondered if you > >> could help me understand how to fix them. > >> > >> 1) the picolisp distribution includes 3 emacs lisp files and 1 patch to > >> paredit.el: > >> > >> • picolisp.el > >> • picolisp-wiki-mode.el > >> • inferior-picolisp.el > >> • paredit.el.diff > >> > >> 2) picolisp.el seems to be installed with picolisp on Debian systems > >> > >> 3) there is a separate melpa picolisp-mode that is not visible when > >> listing the emacs packages available on melpa > >> > >> My questions are: > >> > >> a- Do you know why is that melpa picolisp mode invisible? Is it because > >> it shares the name with the picolisp distribution name? > >> > >> b- is the paredit.el patch applied in Debian when installing picolisp ? > >> > >> c- It doesn't look like picolisp-wiki-mode.el is available when listing > >> the emacs packages, it is installed somewhere and launched with a > >> separate hook? > >> > >> Thank you in advance. > >> > >> Jean-Christophe > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 22:22, Kan-Ru Chen <kos...@debian.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I'm glad to know the picolisp package works on raspbian :-) > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Kanru > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Jean-Christophe Helary wrote: > >>>> Apologies for the mail. I realized that the picolisp-mode that is > >>>> available on debian comes included in the picolisp package. Besides, > >>>> unlike what I wrote, it is the same as the code on github. > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for packaging picolisp for Debian ! > >>>> > >>>> Jean-Christophe > >>>> > >>>>> On Jan 21, 2019, at 20:03, Jean-Christophe Helary > >>>>> <brandel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>> It looks like picolisp on raspbian installs a picolisp major mode for > >>>>> emacs that I could trace to an old version of this package that is > >>>>> already pretty old (6 years, with a slight code modification 2 years > >>>>> ago): > >>>>> https://github.com/tj64/picolisp-mode > >>>>> > >>>>> It looks like the package in debian is outdated though. > >>>>> > >>>>> Also, there is a much more recent picolisp major mode in Melpa that > >>>>> also adds access to the documentation, etc. > >>>>> https://github.com/flexibeast/picolisp-mode > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't seem to find how emacs gets that old picolisp-mode in raspbian, > >>>>> would you have an idea ? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thank you in advance > >>>>> > >>>>> Jean-Christophe Helary > >>>>> ----------------------------------------------- > >>>>> http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune > > > > On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:06, Jean-Christophe Helary <brandel...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Rick, > > > > Thank you again for your multiple thoughtful and detailed replies :) > > > >> On Jan 23, 2019, at 17:09, r...@tamos.net wrote: > >> > >>> The discussion is not about changing anything for people who already use > >>> one or the other mode. It is about proposing something easy to use *and* > >>> not confusing to new comers. > >> > >> OK. I understand. There were also some specific questions or issues that > >> you noticed (e.g., on Debian-like systems) in another email you sent which > >> I took to mean that you did not quite understand how emacs > >> packages can be installed and how emacs can (maybe, should) be configured. > >> I tried to answer that in another email I just sent. > >> Sorry, if I was off base -- was just trying to help. If you already > >> understand all that; then, fantastic. > > > > I'm definitely not a fluent emacs user. I can find my way and when I'm lost > > check the documentation. So I am aware of the issues you mentioned and I do > > sometimes manually install emacs packages, but most of the time I just use > > gnu/elpa/melpa. > > > >>> Then there is literally a ressource visibility issue at least on Debian. > >>> This one is not easy to fix and requires information from the Debian > >>> packager. I can ask for more information and see if there is a relatively > >>> easy fix. > >> > >> The "resource visibility issue" that you described (in your other email) > >> sounded like a misconfigured emacs setup to me. But I'm sure you will > >> look into that to rule out that possibility. Thank you for looking into > >> potential Debian issues. > > > > I'll check that but my setting is an "out of the flashed box" Raspbian > > machine and the only thing that I had added was a reference to the Melpa > > archive to be able to install some packages. > > > > Not only couldn't I find Alexis' package, but the picolisp menu failed when > > I tried to run an inferior lisp on my buffer. I had to run > > "run-inferior-picolisp" (function name from memory) manually to make it run. > > > > That's when I started to check the various versions and found all the > > things I'm discussing now. > > > > I'm replying to your other mail here so as to put all the information in > > one place: > > > >>> 1) On debian and related distributions, the picolisp official mode is > >>> installed by default > >> > >> Just to be clear, there is no "picolisp official mode" > > > > Ok, but let's just call it that way for the purpose of the discussion :) > > > >> It should probably stay there solely because it is not hosted (in a > >> permanent sense) anywhere else AFAIK. > > > > In fact it also is hosted on Github but it looks like the hosted version > > and the offline versions are slightly different (my understanding from > > Alexis' earlier mail, I did not diff the files). > > > >>> and in fact, there is no mention of that mode in the emacs package > >>> manager when you look for it, > >> > >> When you say "there is no mention of that mode in the emacs package > >> manager when you look for it", if you mean that you can't see it when you > >> look at the list generated by `package-list-packages` > > > > That's correct. > > > >> Well, if you load a picolisp source file (*.l) and you are in some > >> picolisp-mode and you didn't cause that to happen by purposefully setting > >> that up in your emacs configuration, then that is simply due > >> to dumb luck. > > > > Not dumb luck, but Debian packaging :) My understanding is that when you > > select picolisp to be installed in apt then it automatically installs that > > picolisp mode. I'm checking that with the Debian packager, but I suspect > > he's trying to install everything that is available in the "official > > picolisp distribution" which does include that picolisp mode. > > > >>> 2) Similarly, on Debian, the alternative picolisp mode from Alexis > >>> is not listed in the emacs package manager. > >> > >> If "listed in the emacs package manager" means that you can see it in > >> package-list-packages` output buffer, then *not* seeing it there means > >> that your emacs configuration is *not* pointing to the melpa service -- > >> check the `package-archives` variable -- (because we know that > >> Alexis's package is registered on melpa) or your network connex to melpa > >> was temporarily down. > >> > >> For instance, I can see it here now in my package-list-packages output: > > > > Can you confirm that you're checking that on Debian ? The output is > > different on Raspbian (as far as I can tell, and I have other melpa > > packages visible). I don't have the box with me so I'll confirm later. > > > >> I suppose we could mention that there are a few choices of emacs major > >> modes for picolisp programming and even a rundown of their functionality / > >> capability. Sounds good. Please do that if you have > >> time. Thanks. > > > > I did talk about the "official" character of that mode because it is > > documented on the wiki documentation as *the* emacs mode. Hence my > > confusion. > > > >> I hope that some of this info helped. Please forgive me if I seemed > >> in any way lecturing. I just don't really know your skill level with > >> emacs or admin stuff. > > > > No worry :) I'm always learning. > > > > > > Jean-Christophe Helary > > ----------------------------------------------- > > http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune > > > > > > Jean-Christophe Helary > ----------------------------------------------- > http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune > > > > -- > UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe > -- UNSUBSCRIBE: mailto:picolisp@software-lab.de?subject=Unsubscribe
