Hi Brett, It is important to understand that with any creative medium even on computers, quality of the tool is far more important than the feature completeness. What makes a video is what is being recorded :), and the creativity of the person using the tool, PiTiVi in our case. You will be amazed what people can do with a simple, well designed tool.
If you are arguing against inclusion, the render dialog is where you should focus your arguments. The comparison of shipping gimp without a save/export function is uniformed. The correct comparison would be shipping GIMP without its litany of filters, plugins and effects which are useful, but, not essential tools. But this still misses the point, the most useful tools in gimp are selection, paint brush, layers and masks. which is further a subset of all the tools that would still be available should you remove, filters, plugins and effects. On 10 February 2010 04:11, Brett Alton <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm personally seriously concerned with Ubuntu shipping with PiTiVi - > a video editor - when it doesn't even have transitions, effects or DV > capture yet. That's like shipping GIMP without a save/export function. > > I understand where PiTiVi is and where it is going and am excited for > it, but this is far too early to be included in Ubuntu by default. > > 2010/2/9 Jeff <[email protected]>: >> Hi folks. I have been suddenly reminded of the the Ubuntu Feature Freeze on >> the 18th of February (that's in 10 days!) by comment #5 on the following bug >> report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/506642 >> >> In that thread, from comment #6 onwards, I revealed some of my worries >> regarding the fast-approaching Ubuntu deadlines and the current state of >> PiTiVi. Vish then mentionned that he discussed with some devs (namely Rick >> Spencer and Jono) on #ubuntu-desktop. I looked up the archives of the logs, >> here they are if you are curious: >> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/08/%23ubuntu-desktop.txt (look at 18:32) >> >> In this discussion, it was suggested that a hackfest could be organized, and >> I think that they have sent some mail to Edward about that. I wanted to >> raise this on the mailing list because I'm still wondering about two things: >> >> 1) What features and bug fixes should be considered the requirement for the >> 0.13.4 release? In other words, when do we decide that we have "reached" >> that release? >> >> 2) Do we, as a project, have a “failsafe” plan of holding back PiTiVi from >> being included in Ubuntu 10.04 by default if we deem it “not yet ready for >> mass consumption”? I am mainly concerned about the bad publicity that it >> could get. However, maybe I am worrying too much and users wouldn't really >> bash it for not having features XYZ (the usual: transitions, effects, DV >> capture, poneys...), and maybe, on the complete opposite of the worst case >> scenario, more users would be interested in the software and more >> contributors would join... this is a delicate PR situation. >> >> By the way, I'm suspecting that many "rendering hangs at a certain point >> during rendering" bugs on 0.13.3 might be due to the broken still image >> support which was recently fixed by Brandon in pitivi git. Maybe I need to >> NEEDINFO some of bugs asking if still images were in use. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation >> Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the >> business >> Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts >> Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com >> _______________________________________________ >> Pitivi-pitivi mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pitivi-pitivi >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Planet: dedicated and managed hosting, cloud storage, colocation > Stay online with enterprise data centers and the best network in the business > Choose flexible plans and management services without long-term contracts > Personal 24x7 support from experience hosting pros just a phone call away. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/theplanet-com > _______________________________________________ > Pitivi-pitivi mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pitivi-pitivi > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SOLARIS 10 is the OS for Data Centers - provides features such as DTrace, Predictive Self Healing and Award Winning ZFS. Get Solaris 10 NOW http://p.sf.net/sfu/solaris-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Pitivi-pitivi mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/pitivi-pitivi
