Hi, On Tue, 2010-02-09 at 11:10 -0700, Mallory Kyle wrote: > I've been a PiTiVi lurker for nearly 2 years now. I've been happily, > and patiently watching its progress. As a professional filmmaker, and > also a software developer, and based on my latest (minor) interactions > with installing PiTiVi on Ubuntu, I think you can safely overlook DV > capture, and effects. Regarding transitions, the only transitions you > need are dissolves and fades. Of course, for the average user, silly > transitions are the spice of life, and you will receive a fair amount > of criticism for not having a broad range of transitions. However, > for a tool to be useful for editing, cuts and dissolves/fades are the > only requirement. > > I think there is a point in an open-source projects lifetime, when it > needs to be seen in order to gain more traction. If a simple > interface is provided to make adding transitions and effects simply, > you will find a lot of people willing to step up to write components > to fill in these gaps. So, in short, IMO, I believe that providing a > stable application with a user-friendly interface that can import, > assemble, arrange, trim, and export media, as well as being able to > open/save a project, is sufficient for mass consumption. > Particularly, when there are very few alternatives on the Linux > front. Basic compositing, such as titles and zooming/cropping are, > IMO, more important to PiTiVi than a broad range of effects and > transitions.
I should have read your mail before answering the others. You're spot on with my point of view on PiTiVi :) > > Specifically regarding DV/HDV Capture. DV is, for all intents and > purposes, a dead format. Yes, I realize there are a lot of DV cameras > out there, and people using them, but they are a diminishing mass. > Between flash-memory cameras like the FLIP on the low-end, up to > cameras like the Canon D7, Sony EX1/EX3 (and even in my case, the RED > ONE) on the high-ends, the majority of media content is file-based to > begin with. DV/HDV is no longer a requirement. To be fair, I do > still own HDV cameras that I use regularly and still have to capture > from, but there are easy to use tools (despite being command-line > driven) for linux that make this simple and easy to do. Admittedly, a > nice GUI would be welcome, but it's not something that needs to be > supported directly by PiTiVi. DV/HDV capture within PiTiVi is a bonus indeed... but would still be much appreciated. It's not that much work in the end, but not at the top of the priority list. > > Specifically regarding Effects, there are a number plugin > architectures and interfaces that exists today that could be utilized > to provide a high level of ROI with an existing base of video-effects > plugins. Recently, as it might relate to PiTiVi, I have been > introduced to pyOFX, which provides a Python interface into the OFX > architecture of visual effects plugins. > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=670594.68026.qm%40web59902.mail.ac4.yahoo.com > > I think providing support for OFX through PiTiVi would be a mutually > beneficial relationship. OFX sees a lot of very high end plugins, > developed primarily for high-end systems such as Nuke, Shake, > Combustion, etc. But it lacks a broad user-base derived from more > "consumer oriented" plugins. Hmm... where can one find info about 'OFX' itself ? Had trouble finding any info. And since we depend on GStreamer, they should be wrapped as GSTreamer elements. > > > Take my input for what its worth (which probably isn't much... -maybe > $0.05?) That would be around 2 eurocents, but still much appreciated :) Edward > > Kyle > > > > On Feb 9, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Brett Alton wrote: > > > I'm personally seriously concerned with Ubuntu shipping with PiTiVi - > > a video editor - when it doesn't even have transitions, effects or DV > > capture yet. That's like shipping GIMP without a save/export function. > > > > I understand where PiTiVi is and where it is going and am excited for > > it, but this is far too early to be included in Ubuntu by default. > > > > 2010/2/9 Jeff <[email protected]>: > >> Hi folks. I have been suddenly reminded of the the Ubuntu Feature > >> Freeze on > >> the 18th of February (that's in 10 days!) by comment #5 on the > >> following bug > >> report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pitivi/+bug/506642 > >> > >> In that thread, from comment #6 onwards, I revealed some of my > >> worries > >> regarding the fast-approaching Ubuntu deadlines and the current > >> state of > >> PiTiVi. Vish then mentionned that he discussed with some devs > >> (namely Rick > >> Spencer and Jono) on #ubuntu-desktop. I looked up the archives of > >> the logs, > >> here they are if you are curious: > >> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/02/08/%23ubuntu-desktop.txt (look at > >> 18:32) > >> > >> In this discussion, it was suggested that a hackfest could be > >> organized, and > >> I think that they have sent some mail to Edward about that. I > >> wanted to > >> raise this on the mailing list because I'm still wondering about > >> two things: > >> > >> 1) What features and bug fixes should be considered the requirement > >> for the > >> 0.13.4 release? In other words, when do we decide that we have > >> "reached" > >> that release? > >> > >> 2) Do we, as a project, have a “failsafe” plan of holding back > >> PiTiVi from > >> being included in Ubuntu 10.04 by default if we deem it “not yet > >> ready for > >> mass consumption”? I am mainly concerned about the bad publicity > >> that it > >> could get. However, maybe I am worrying too much and users wouldn't > >> really > >> bash it for not having features XYZ (the usual: transitions, > >> effects, DV > >> capture, poneys...), and maybe, on the complete opposite of the > >> worst case > >> scenario, more users would be interested in the software and more > >> contributors would join... this is a delicate PR situation. > >> > >> By the way, I'm suspecting that many "rendering hangs at a certain > >> point > >> during rendering" bugs on 0.13.3 might be due to the broken still > >> image > >> support which was recently fixed by Brandon in pitivi git. 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